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so...... jesus where to begin.... |
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All I'll say is this: if I was being mob style battered with iron bars, and I had a gun and an opportunity to save my life, I'd certainly shoot as well.
People are often too quick to condemn Israel. |
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From what I've read, I see it as a massive overreaction by Israel. Edited by user 02 June 2010 23:39:29(UTC)
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Captain Insano wrote:From what I've read, I see it as a massive overreaction by Israel. Unfortunately this is the key issue here. Almost all of the media takes the Hamas side on everything. |
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Agreed, it's going to be hard to get the truth in this matter. |
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genocidal king wrote:Captain Insano wrote:From what I've read, I see it as a massive overreaction by Israel. Unfortunately this is the key issue here. Almost all of the media takes the Hamas side on everything. Except it's not Hamas' side per se. That Hamas are on the same side as people who want to end an Apartheid state in Palestine is really unfortunate. Hamas are a despicable bunch of religious zealots. Much like the leaders of Israel. They even worship the same fucking God. The whole issue is pretty simple. If you try to take my ship in international waters then international law states I'm allowed to fucking defend myself. |
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More power to 'em, I'd say. Might is right bitches, might is right.
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Thorgrim wrote:More power to 'em, I'd say. Might is right bitches, might is right. So when some guy punches you in the head until you bleed, that's cool? |
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They Used Paintball guns though didn't they?
"They beat us up with metal sticks and knives," he said. "There was live fire at some point against us... They were shooting at us from below deck."
That's a quote from a soldier, Yet They say The ship, full of Activists was heading to Gaza to deliver Aid, yet by doing this they were breaking a blockade that had been created by Israel. I'm having trouble figuring out who is right. Considering the Actvists did kill 9 people, yet the military did open fire on civilians (using non-lethal weapons of course) |
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chopper1156 wrote:They Used Paintball guns though didn't they?
"They beat us up with metal sticks and knives," he said. "There was live fire at some point against us... They were shooting at us from below deck."
That's a quote from a soldier, Yet They say The ship, full of Activists was heading to Gaza to deliver Aid, yet by doing this they were breaking a blockade that had been created by Israel. I'm having trouble figuring out who is right. Considering the Actvists did kill 9 people, yet the military did open fire on civilians (using non-lethal weapons of course) You've got that backwards. 9 activists were killed. They did not kill anyone. |
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Yeah, it was the protestors who had the paintball guns and the IDF who had the live ammunition. Disproportionate force is their motto. |
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forkboy wrote:Yeah, it was the protestors who had the paintball guns and the IDF who had the live ammunition. Disproportionate force is their motto. Lmao,I gotta pay more attention to CNN :P |
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chopper1156 wrote:forkboy wrote:Yeah, it was the protestors who had the paintball guns and the IDF who had the live ammunition. Disproportionate force is their motto. Lmao,I gotta pay more attention to CNN :P i think thats part of your problem..... |
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There's really two different schools of thought in such a trouble as Israel. And sadly, both are very valuable.
If we are to keep Israel, people will constantly be hurt and other 9/11 like situations are more possible. Plus, this further destroys our middle eastern relations, as bad as they already were.
But if we were to allow Palestine to continue to be in existance, then that means that the "holy land" was lost, the middle eastern relations are still going to become worse because the leaders there simply want to be isolated from the western world, many people will start losing faith in the government, and it would also mean that the so called beloved UN lost to the terrorists.
So in reality, there's no way to win this situation. it's still going to be a lose-lose situation.
But, the only way to improve relations sadly is war. I supported the war on Iraq because ppl there were suffering in oppression under sadam hussein, and with him gone, the people there are now free in their newly-formed democratic government. If we liberate the other oppressed nations there, then we might corner the pro-palestinian terrorists and show them that we truly are only in this all to improve the living conditions for both sides. It doesn't necessarily sound too great, especially after re-reading it about 5 times, but honestly, I want to hear your opinions on this plan. Feel free in be as insulting as you like lol. But honestly, I don't see any other method of making better relations than war, and nobody likes war.
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I say, let Israel burn, it's time they start taking responsibility for their shit and the U.S. to stop giving them their every desire. Rodney what the fuck? Get rid of Palestine? They didn't do nearly enough shit to warrant their annihilation. So they hate Israel? More power to em, everyone has the right to think and feel the way they want. I'll agree with you on the point of war being a help, it's a great economy booster for all sides(free market that is). Iraq's democracy? Yeah. Right.... Liberate the other nations? When did they say they wanted our help? When did all of the new terrorist recruits says they were joining against their will? In terms of democracy, the Iraqis still have bad blood with the U.S. along with the rest of the Semitic population. On terms of diplomacy with Israel, please explain to me, what was the point of our relation with it anyway? What have we ever gained? The rest of the Middle East despises Israel and the U.S. by extension(among other reasons). To be honest, I'm all for a good war when it needs to happen, but the past decade seems a little too unnecessary than it should have been. Edited by user 18 August 2010 18:26:12(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
On terms of diplomacy with Israel, please explain to me, what was the point of our relation with it anyway? What have we ever gained? The rest of the Middle East despises Israel and the U.S. by extension(among other reasons).
Numerous reasons. Mainly examples of realpolitik. The west wants a strong ally in a region which is economically valuable. A strong Zionist lobby in most western nations. The fact that they are a free market democracy on the western model in a region of dictatorships. |
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forkboy wrote:sharinganerror wrote:
On terms of diplomacy with Israel, please explain to me, what was the point of our relation with it anyway? What have we ever gained? The rest of the Middle East despises Israel and the U.S. by extension(among other reasons).
Numerous reasons. Mainly examples of realpolitik. The west wants a strong ally in a region which is economically valuable. A strong Zionist lobby in most western nations. The fact that they are a free market democracy on the western model in a region of dictatorships. Makes sense, ty for the info.
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Gildermershina wrote:Thorgrim wrote:More power to 'em, I'd say. Might is right bitches, might is right. So when some guy punches you in the head until you bleed, that's cool? Yes. I'm a masochist you know.
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