The whole point here is that we lost thousands of lives. No matter what happened, people should shut up about their stupid conspiracy theories and just honor the firefighter and the people who lost their lives due to 9/11.

Edited by user 13 September 2011 10:47:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I think Bush took great action in all of this. Honestly, there is almost no better way to handle the situation, if your country is being attacked, especially not just in one state.

We got attacked. Were we supposed to sit back and not do anything? We could sit here all day long and say It could've been prevented but It wasn't and It happened. That war had been brewing before that even happened, it was just the last button that was pushed to start it. I don't like the war and lost many friends because of it but not everyone is going to see eye to eye no matter how much we want people to.

bugger 7/7
what about
* 1990 16 May: Wembley IRA detonate a bomb underneath a minibus
* 1990 1 June: Lichfield City railway station 1 soldier is killed and 2 are injured in a shooting by the Provisional Irish Republican Army
* 1990 20 July: The IRA detonate a bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing damage to the building.
* 1990 30 July: Ian Gow MP killed by a car bomb planted by the IRA while at his home in Sussex.
* 1991 7 February: The IRA launched three mortar shells at the rear garden of 10 Downing Street.
* 1991 18 February: A bomb explodes at Victoria Station.
* 1992 28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge station
* 1992 10 April: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb explodes in St Mary Axe in the City of London.
* 1992 25 August: The IRA plant three fire bombs in Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Bombs were placed in Shoplatch, The Charles Darwin Centre and Shrewsbury Castle.
* 1992 12 October: A device explodes in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden.
* 1992 16 November: IRA plants a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but is spotted by security guards
* 1992 3 December: The IRA exploded two bombs in central Manchester
* 1993 20 March: Warrington bomb attacks.
* 1993 24 April: IRA detonate a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate
* 1996 9 February 1996: The IRA bombs the South Quay area of London
* 1996 15 June: The Manchester bombing when the IRA detonated a 1500 kg bomb in the Arndale shopping centre
* 1996 15 February: A 5 lb bomb placed in a telephone box is disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
* 1996 18 February: An improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London
* 1997 March: The IRA exploded two bombs in relay boxes near Wilmslow railway station
* 1999 17 April, 24 April, 30 April: David Copeland set off three nail bombs in London targeting the black, Bangladeshi and gay communities respectively.

# 2000 1 June: Real IRA bomb explodes on Hammersmith Bridge, London
# 2000 20 September: Real IRA fired a RPG at the MI6 HQ in London SIS Building
# 2001 4 March: The Real IRA detonate a car bomb outside the BBC's main news centre in London.
# 2001 16 April: Hendon post office bombed by the Real IRA.
# 2001 6 May: The Real IRA detonate a bomb in a London postal sorting office.
# 2001 3 August: A Real IRA Bomb in Britain explodes in Ealing, West London.
# 2001 4 November: Real IRA car bomb explodes in Birmingham

and thats just in the last twenty years....

i left out the london underground and bus bombings as well as the glasgow airport attack as they were recent events and i don't think i needed to remind people about them.

Edited by user 13 September 2011 21:03:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

while this is true...
you also have to think about the fact that this one event has shaped American foriegn policy for the last ten years AND has shaped the world in which we live today. So while you have the right to remember it, it also effects a lot of people who don't live in America, because of how you choose to remember it.

i feel like i should explain that bit then, as i didn't mean that Americans as a whole have decided to remember 11/9 via the wars....
but because of how the general American public does percive and remember and more importantly feel about 11/9 we have the result of the middle eastern wars and mass killings of innocent civilians over there instead.

My dad fought in the Iraqi Wars and believe me, it wasn't a walk in the park for him either. He tells me War Stories at times but I know he excises information at times, he'll start sentences, only to pause and change the subjects moments later. I'd need five more hands to count how many people I know died in that war, so believe me when I say that the average American doesn't quite support the war that has left families without parents, children etc. This might sound a little weird but we don't exactly find killing real live people much fun, contrary to belief.

Also, do I feel strongly about 9/11? Yes. You know what it's like to watch friends, classmates and people you know seclude during the weeks surrounding that day. The day we see it as just another date on the calender is the day that we forget those who died, and I don't quite want to forget that.

That was from me using my old screen-name. Anyway, my dad didn't join the military because he wanted to, and neither did my grandfather before that. My dad grew up in a bad area of DC, and he had the grades to get accepted to the College he wanted to go to, but not the money and couldn't get enough scholarships.

He knew that staying in DC wouldn't cut it for him, I mean that place is fucking horrid, especially the ghetto. So he joined the Military, became a Medic and now he's working a great job(after 2 full tours).

Tons of people died for the USA and I know that doesn't mean much to you forkboy, but in all due respect, I don't give a fuck. I'll be damned though, if I let the past generations of my family lineage fall into the singular category of 'fucking stupid'. I'll be damned if the numerous soldiers I've had the pleasure of meeting, and associating myself with all fall into the singular category of 'fucking stupid'. I'll be damned if the man who fought so that I could get a proper college education is left to fall into the singular category of 'fucking stupid.' So as many before me have said, as many after me will say:

"Fuck off."

(OOC: No offense Forkboy but I take my dad and his profession fairly seriously, certain subjects you cross over on sarcastically and 'take the piss out of' I can laugh with you on but this ain't one of 'em mate.)

I'd be inclined to agree with Rincewind. Joining the military just to able to afford a university education is a ridiculous situation. Is it not the result of the GI Bill that was passed after WW2 as essentially a way to reward people who had been forcibly conscripted to fight in the armed forces due to national service? Well the draft has long since gone, now it is simply used as a way to economically blackmail people to join up. What's needed is far better, fairer government support for people who go into higher education. Low interest rates loans by the state. State schools with artificially lower entrance costs. Less scholarships given to athletes & more given to hard working students. Something the United States need to address urgently. But won't because of some mis-placed fear of socialism.

And I was being deadly serious, no sarcasm involved. I'm not a pacifist, & I can understand fighting for a cause you genuinely believe in such as the Spanish Civil War, but joining an army which is essentially about nothing more than spreading the imperial might of the worlds only super power is fucking stupid. The people may not be idiots, but they are doing something which in my opinion is idiotic.

I just in a nutshell lose respect for anyone who kills another human being in the name of their state is basically my point. It's a core philosophical belief to me.