I agree with Gildy's statement, and I also think the financial situation should be taken in consideration. Women usually get pregnant for 2 reasons if the man doesn't want a kid, if the guy is rich or if she REALLY wants a baby. When the guy has a good financial situation and the woman don't, I think he should help; on the second case scenario the women usually disappear so they won't have any trouble with parental rights.
I do agree that on some cases (like when the woman is a lot richer than the guy) it isn't fair.

The guy wants to keep his baby, but the girl doesn't want hers.

Exactly. Men only say they want the baby because it's not them that carry 5 pounds of a parasite (biological studies confirm that babies release a substance that makes it impossible for the mother's body to identify it as a different body, when the fetus stops producing this substance, birth happens) on your belly, get a lot of weight, feel sickness all the time, feel a lot tired, your feet get huge, it's AWFUL.
Men get it easy.

Abortion is not murder.

No, abortion is not murder. I might decide the grass is pink but that does not make it so. Murder is a legal term with a fixed definition. "Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter)."

Abortion is "defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability." Technically a miscarriage is a spontaneous abortion, as opposed to an induced abortion.

This doesn't even touch upon the fact that a ball of cells is not a human being.

Do you think you should get a say in whether or not your girlfriend (or your one night stand) is allowed to take the morning afterpill? Same end result as a medical abortion.

Like I said, on some cases it isn't fair. But let's say the woman is poor. She's religious and thinks abortion is murder so she'll have it. Assuming the father won't run away, isn't it fair that he should give 30% of his salary to help the woman give the child a better life?
The whole point has a lot of 'ifs', but should a change be made on the whole child support law because of really small minority? Besides, it's easy for the guy to run away in situations like that, which is what they do when they aren't confortable with the idea of having a kid.
I understand your point, but I'm being practical.
It's pretty much saying it's the woman's fault the baby happened. I honestly think that a man who doesn't support a woman pregnant with his child is a jerk, even if it was an accident.

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I feel terribly uncomfortable with this. There are plenty of bad mothers who go through with having the kind believing they're responsible enough (perhaps despite the man's protests they aren't) and then end up not being responsible enough and being a shit parent. Whilst men are able to run away from a pregnancy yes, women are more than capable of running away (metaphorically or literally) once the babies been born. If a couple are together and the woman gets pregnant but the man doesn't want it, tough in my opinion. There are enough contraceptives available for there to be practically no chance of them getting pregnant. Sitting there saying "what if what if what if" just takes us to a point where we're talking about situations so rare that they're always going to be confusing and someone's always going to be fucked (no pun intended) in the situation. It's just life. But in the vast majority of cases, if people are in a sexual relationship with someone they should be mature enough to use the correct contraceptives and if not then they should be prepared (both of them) to deal with the financial implications of a baby.

I do think the father has responsibility because the woman does as well, if a father wants the baby that much then he should have found a suitable partner to have it with. Any father who complains about not being able to have a child after a one night stand is utterly clueless. Same goes for a woman though. If a woman has a one night stand with someone and decides to keep the baby is also utterly clueless, and I'd strongly recommend early abortion for this. But if the mother REALLY wants to have the baby then it's down to her family to support her with it, not the man. IF the woman doesn't have family that can help support her then yeah the man should pay somewhat because at that point it hasn't got anything to do with responsibility it's another human being who will be innocently adversely affected. But the chances of a woman having a one night stand, keeping the baby AND not having any family to support them is probably pretty low anyway, so everything I wrote is probably pointless anyway.

I think at the end of the day people just don't give sex the respect it deserves. I'm far from religious on the subject but I do think there's a kind of "sanctity" about it. Sex should be special every time. Doesn't mean you can't have loads of it, but I do think people should give sex more respect. It is at the end of the day the process of making new humans, and people see it as a bit of a recreational activity. Other sexual things I can understand being recreational because they're not actually sex, but sex itself is way, way, way different to other things IMO.

I'm pro choice.