Excellent and admirable contribution their Bikz, well done.

No, utter pish. If you take a soundbite of my post, fair enough. Try read the whole thing to understand my point of view slightly better.

But well done anyway. Surely if I'm doing nothing but trolling I should be getting barred, I mean trolling shouldn't be allowed should it?

I think everyone has the right to believe what they want. But the great thing with freedom of speech is it has to go two ways. So while I will accept (could never honestly respect it) that it is your right to believe in whatever you want, it is my right to point out how stupid that is. And yes, I have little tolerance for religion. Religious people aren't all bad. The vast majority of them aren't bad. That doesn't mean religion it's self isn't bad though, blind faith in anything is a horribly dangeous precedent.

And yes I can be horribly obnoxious on the matter, but I don't think that suddenly renders everything else I say irrelevant.

Incidentally, your example is poor because I like humour far too much. I'd listen to the joke before pointing and laughing at the fact they were at church.

I laugh at 11/9 conspiracy theorists because I don't think they are living in reality, and seeing as I feel exactly the same way about religious people it is only natural I would laugh at them too.

Wish someone would steer this topic back on course anyway.

Edited by user 18 July 2009 06:09:50(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

No. No more derailing of this thread. I'll happily discuss theological arguements until the cow goes home, but I'd much rather see someone actually try to refute my point on the previous page, because nobody seems to have even read it except for Bikz who just went TROLL because she read one line.

Well yes. I also discriminate against people who think that the September 11th attacks were fake, and people who think we didn't land on the moon, and people who think that "psychics" can talk to deceased family members. Is THAT against the rules? Do we have to pretend that people don't have prejudices?

Incidentally, surely you got that mixed up? I'm allowed to dismiss them as wrong as opposed to calling their entire belief system is stupid because I'd assume the latter is wrong? I mean if I was out-of-hand dismissing religion without knowing anything about it I'd be ignorant, but there's still nothing wrong with it.

Rincewind should log back in just to ban you for going off-topic.

No, it was a genuine question. Where's this line? How is discriminating against Nazis or moon hoaxers any different to "discriminating" (your own choice of words) against religion and the religious? Because I honestly can't see the difference. Nazis are a group of people who I think are severely wrong on many, many topics, who believe in things that I would describe as fantasy nonsense (such as the idea that the holocaust never happened), and many of those accusations I could also point towards the religious. So where is the line?

If I knew what you meant, I'd have not bloody well asked. PM me. Tell me what is unacceptable to say? Do I have to respect everybodies opinion? Or just opinions that are represented on the forum? I'd like to know.

Actually he could.

But hey, I brought the thread back on topic like you suggested and you complain and go on arguing? Thanks Cam. Thanks a bunch.

As I said earlier (though no body seemed to notice :P) Love to me is the most importent thing in the world, but i cant be assed to copy my previous post again so go back and read it if you want to know why i think it is. Basically though, without love, there would be nothing (meaning art,literature,music).

Edited by moderator 18 July 2009 09:53:19(UTC)  | Reason: jus' getting us back onnn track - old.gregg

On the last note of unrelated matters, I also tried to ban Elliot once :P

Now, this love business...

Maybe so, but hate is an emotion too. Did he made that also?