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Offline Rincewind  
#1 Posted : 11 August 2009 00:20:42(UTC)
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i am sure we are all against Animal testing in Human products (or at least i hope so), but what about cruelty to animals during research for things like dog food? where do you stand on it? should it be allowed?

a good example of this is the company Iam's and a few things they have done which i personally find abhorent.
for example,
cutting out Dogs voice box's simply because they found the baring annoying..
cutting lumps out of dogs muscle.
Force feeding dogs vegetable oil.
Killing cats and dogs in lethal research.

http://www.uncaged.co.uk/news/2003/iams.htm
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I hate it when people see me at the supermarket and they are like:
Hey, what are you doing here?
and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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#2 Posted : 11 August 2009 00:27:07(UTC)
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"cruelty to animals during research"....of course it shouldn't be allowed. Absolute disgrace.

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#3 Posted : 11 August 2009 01:05:25(UTC)
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Myself, I use vegan friendly products which aren't tested on animals, cause I'm opposed to the whole ideal. Though many people really aren't bothered about where their products come from, because in the long run, it's not affecting them personally.
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#4 Posted : 11 August 2009 01:32:26(UTC)
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I'm pretty much against animal testing in any way shape or form, even though I know that it has reaped great medical benefits for humanity, and will continue to do so. When it comes to this, I'm what you might call an anti-humanist. What gives us the right? Apparently nothing more than sheer capability.
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#5 Posted : 11 August 2009 01:50:50(UTC)
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I'm honestly disgusted by this, I know that these people are going to burn in the eternal hell that they've created. I find sadness that none of us here really have any say about really, despite talking about it. Words whispers, Actions scream.
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#6 Posted : 11 August 2009 01:53:25(UTC)
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well i boycott and raise awareness when i can... Which is all any one person can.
I hate it when people see me at the supermarket and they are like:
Hey, what are you doing here?
and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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#7 Posted : 11 August 2009 01:54:38(UTC)
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Rincewind wrote:
well i boycott and raise awareness when i can... Which is all any one person can.

true.
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User is suspended until 16/05/4760 03:38:29(UTC) stephaniewazhere  
#8 Posted : 11 August 2009 02:08:09(UTC)
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The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.

Shouldn't, but is.
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#10 Posted : 11 August 2009 02:10:46(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.

Shouldn't, but is.


Duh, I know. WTF.
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.

Shouldn't, but is.


Duh, I know. WTF.

I'm making the point that why continue debating on something that already has been answered?
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sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.

Shouldn't, but is.


Duh, I know. WTF.

I'm making the point that why continue debating on something that already has been answered?


Because I was putting my opinions on it. You don't know there might still be something someone may disagree with.
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#13 Posted : 11 August 2009 02:16:36(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The thought of it itself sickening.

It should only be allowed if the dog gets to do the same to you. In other words, it is impossible so it shouldn't be done.

Shouldn't, but is.


Duh, I know. WTF.

I'm making the point that why continue debating on something that already has been answered?


Because I was putting my opinions on it. You don't know there might still be something someone may disagree with.

The only person who would, would be Iams.....
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#14 Posted : 11 August 2009 03:54:10(UTC)
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I'm a vegetarian so I obviously stand against any kind of animal cruelty.
I always try to buy animal friendly products but it's hard in Brazil because nobody knows which corporations use animals and which don't. The ones we know are the double of the price, and I'm not rich, what makes it complicated to me :(
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#15 Posted : 11 August 2009 04:25:16(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
I'm pretty much against animal testing in any way shape or form, even though I know that it has reaped great medical benefits for humanity, and will continue to do so. When it comes to this, I'm what you might call an anti-humanist. What gives us the right? Apparently nothing more than sheer capability.



I agree with this completely.
It absolutely disgusts me, and I only wish I could do more but, like Rincewind, I avoid any products I know test on animals in any way and I spread the word. I don't press other people not to buy it, that's their decision, but I'll certainly tell them what products do/don't test and what they do. Everyone should know what exactly their money is contributing towards.
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#16 Posted : 11 August 2009 06:43:14(UTC)
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Medical testing is sad but ultimately the positives outweight the negatives. But why does a dog food company need to test animals? That's bizarre and stupid and utterly unneccessary.
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#17 Posted : 11 August 2009 06:55:08(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
Medical testing is sad but ultimately the positives outweight the negatives. But why does a dog food company need to test animals? That's bizarre and stupid and utterly unneccessary.


Well dog food probebly needs to test it on animals to check the ingrediants dont kill the dogs? But still, they should be treated a lot better. But like when they used to do the things with the hair products, that shit was just wrong. Never buying Iams again though.
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#18 Posted : 11 August 2009 09:28:53(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Medical testing is sad but ultimately the positives outweight the negatives. But why does a dog food company need to test animals? That's bizarre and stupid and utterly unneccessary.


Well dog food probebly needs to test it on animals to check the ingrediants dont kill the dogs? But still, they should be treated a lot better. But like when they used to do the things with the hair products, that shit was just wrong. Never buying Iams again though.


i think the worst story i know about iam is the fact that they strapped dogs and cats into harnesses and allowed their mucles to waste away and then fed them iams to see what the effects would be.
I hate it when people see me at the supermarket and they are like:
Hey, what are you doing here?
and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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#19 Posted : 11 August 2009 19:42:11(UTC)
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Rincewind wrote:
Aj wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Medical testing is sad but ultimately the positives outweight the negatives. But why does a dog food company need to test animals? That's bizarre and stupid and utterly unneccessary.


Well dog food probebly needs to test it on animals to check the ingrediants dont kill the dogs? But still, they should be treated a lot better. But like when they used to do the things with the hair products, that shit was just wrong. Never buying Iams again though.


i think the worst story i know about iam is the fact that they strapped dogs and cats into harnesses and allowed their mucles to waste away and then fed them iams to see what the effects would be.

Yeah I mean that's just seriously over the line.
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#20 Posted : 11 August 2009 20:14:15(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
Rincewind wrote:
Aj wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Medical testing is sad but ultimately the positives outweight the negatives. But why does a dog food company need to test animals? That's bizarre and stupid and utterly unneccessary.


Well dog food probebly needs to test it on animals to check the ingrediants dont kill the dogs? But still, they should be treated a lot better. But like when they used to do the things with the hair products, that shit was just wrong. Never buying Iams again though.


i think the worst story i know about iam is the fact that they strapped dogs and cats into harnesses and allowed their mucles to waste away and then fed them iams to see what the effects would be.

Yeah I mean that's just seriously over the line.



Oh, see now that's just fucked up. But surely they do have to carry out some tests otherwise like i said it could kill the animals? Or is there an alternative?
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