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#21 Posted : 01 September 2009 03:44:52(UTC)
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I like Spirit in the Sky. Nah, I'm kidding. All Christian music is horrible filth and we should not expose our children to it.

......... seriously, posts like these make you seem like a bigger asshole than me and quite a few others who I will not mention...
Living Sacrifice is one my favorite christian metalcore bands of all time... but The Ascendicate, Seventh Seal, Becoming the Archetype, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, The Devil Wears Prada, Extol, Haste the Day, MyChildren MyBride, The Showdown, Staple, (Not so much) Underoath, are the metalcore bands I listen to, although fewsongs are their best, 68 by Haste the Day is really good in my opinion along with Dichotommy by Becoming the Archetype, Html Rulez D00d by The Devil Wears Prada and Killers by Living Sacrifice. Oh yeah, Death Threat by The Famine is great too.


Old LIVING SACRIFICE shreds... the newer stuff ain't for me though.

There are plenty of good Christian bands... just also a lot of very, very bad ones.

I don't disagree with you there.
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#22 Posted : 01 September 2009 03:47:21(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
I like Spirit in the Sky. Nah, I'm kidding. All Christian music is horrible filth and we should not expose our children to it.

......... seriously, posts like these make you seem like a bigger asshole than me and quite a few others who I will not mention...
Living Sacrifice is one my favorite christian metalcore bands of all time... but The Ascendicate, Seventh Seal, Becoming the Archetype, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, The Devil Wears Prada, Extol, Haste the Day, MyChildren MyBride, The Showdown, Staple, (Not so much) Underoath, are the metalcore bands I listen to, although fewsongs are their best, 68 by Haste the Day is really good in my opinion along with Dichotommy by Becoming the Archetype, Html Rulez D00d by The Devil Wears Prada and Killers by Living Sacrifice. Oh yeah, Death Threat by The Famine is great too.


I was half-joking. But I do have absolute disdain for the idea of Christian music - artistically, commercially, morally, I just don't buy what they're selling. I'm all for people putting things they believe into their music, but when you are marketed based on those beliefs more so than your actual music, or if the "message" is of greater importance than the music itself, then I'm likely to take issue with it.

Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer gospel choirs to any of these Christian versions of popular genres, especially when they sound about as authentic as a parent trying to reach out to their children with cool hip-hop lingo. Not to mention the fact that all the genres these Christian groups co-opt are genres I generally dislike to begin with...

To each his own, your opinion is valid, I just tend to like Christian music because I don't get my ears cussed out of my skull and don't get some overused bullshit lyrics that have been used in every fucking song before them. Not that most Christian bands don't do that too, I just hate most secular stuff because that situation occurs alot more.
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#23 Posted : 01 September 2009 05:53:42(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
I like Spirit in the Sky. Nah, I'm kidding. All Christian music is horrible filth and we should not expose our children to it.

......... seriously, posts like these make you seem like a bigger asshole than me and quite a few others who I will not mention...
Living Sacrifice is one my favorite christian metalcore bands of all time... but The Ascendicate, Seventh Seal, Becoming the Archetype, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, The Devil Wears Prada, Extol, Haste the Day, MyChildren MyBride, The Showdown, Staple, (Not so much) Underoath, are the metalcore bands I listen to, although fewsongs are their best, 68 by Haste the Day is really good in my opinion along with Dichotommy by Becoming the Archetype, Html Rulez D00d by The Devil Wears Prada and Killers by Living Sacrifice. Oh yeah, Death Threat by The Famine is great too.


I was half-joking. But I do have absolute disdain for the idea of Christian music - artistically, commercially, morally, I just don't buy what they're selling. I'm all for people putting things they believe into their music, but when you are marketed based on those beliefs more so than your actual music, or if the "message" is of greater importance than the music itself, then I'm likely to take issue with it.

Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer gospel choirs to any of these Christian versions of popular genres, especially when they sound about as authentic as a parent trying to reach out to their children with cool hip-hop lingo. Not to mention the fact that all the genres these Christian groups co-opt are genres I generally dislike to begin with...

To each his own, your opinion is valid, I just tend to like Christian music because I don't get my ears cussed out of my skull and don't get some overused bullshit lyrics that have been used in every fucking song before them. Not that most Christian bands don't do that too, I just hate most secular stuff because that situation occurs alot more.


Well, I don't listen to that kind of stuff neither, mostly because all those satanic-imagery type bands I find extremely boring, and I've long since passed through that teen angst "look at me I'm swearing to annoy my parents" stuff.
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#24 Posted : 01 September 2009 07:06:40(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
To each his own, your opinion is valid, I just tend to like Christian music because I don't get my ears cussed out of my skull and don't get some overused bullshit lyrics that have been used in every fucking song before them. Not that most Christian bands don't do that too, I just hate most secular stuff because that situation occurs alot more.

I listen to bands who write lyrically about everything from suicide to drug use to straight edge to national pride to racism to egalitarianism to whatever the hell else, but the fact that there are few Christian bands in my collection kind of says it all really. I mean I guess all the great composers of days gone by were all influenced by God to a certain degree but in modern rock music Christian bands have a fair few things to struggle against. Years and years of crazies declaring rock is Satan's music because look at that man Elvis and the ungodly way he shakes his hips, or silly nonsense about old bluesmen selling their soul for the perfect guitar sound and how because all modern rock is derived from blues that it's all inherently evil and corrupting and we should all go back to listen exclusively to Gregorian chanting. And then you've got the aesthetic. My favourite example is Christian black metal, or as some douchebag decided to call it, white metal. Yeah, I know. But I mean black metal was founded by a bunch of angry young Scandinavians who hated Christianity and how the Christian church had decimated their native "pagan" culture, sometimes swinging into realms of satanism (not the LaVey sort but actual proclamations about worshipping demons or whatever the fuck). And so somehow after metal being for years and years a sort of reaction against mainstream beliefs, and all the stories of records telling folk to murder and blah blah blah, I find it highly ironic than someone has taken the nihilistic, pagan church burning sounds of black metal, and while keeping the sound which is still quite "evil", they've flipped the aesthetic on it's head. But the problem is that I'd love to hear a really good white metal band but they just don't seem to have "it".

There's a reason that godless bastards like me have a history of saying that "the devil has all the best music". And that's because the church, as the official bastion of reaction in the western hemisphere will almost inevitably put its self against new forms of music in the beginning because they challenge the status quo in a way that religion does not ever like.

Incidentally, The Devil Wears Prada is one of the single shittiest band names I've ever come across. And I fucking hate metalcore, it's even less worthwhile musically than nu-metal.
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#25 Posted : 01 September 2009 09:24:57(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
I like Spirit in the Sky. Nah, I'm kidding. All Christian music is horrible filth and we should not expose our children to it.

......... seriously, posts like these make you seem like a bigger asshole than me and quite a few others who I will not mention...
Living Sacrifice is one my favorite christian metalcore bands of all time... but The Ascendicate, Seventh Seal, Becoming the Archetype, August Burns Red, Oh Sleeper, The Devil Wears Prada, Extol, Haste the Day, MyChildren MyBride, The Showdown, Staple, (Not so much) Underoath, are the metalcore bands I listen to, although fewsongs are their best, 68 by Haste the Day is really good in my opinion along with Dichotommy by Becoming the Archetype, Html Rulez D00d by The Devil Wears Prada and Killers by Living Sacrifice. Oh yeah, Death Threat by The Famine is great too.


I was half-joking. But I do have absolute disdain for the idea of Christian music - artistically, commercially, morally, I just don't buy what they're selling. I'm all for people putting things they believe into their music, but when you are marketed based on those beliefs more so than your actual music, or if the "message" is of greater importance than the music itself, then I'm likely to take issue with it.

Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer gospel choirs to any of these Christian versions of popular genres, especially when they sound about as authentic as a parent trying to reach out to their children with cool hip-hop lingo. Not to mention the fact that all the genres these Christian groups co-opt are genres I generally dislike to begin with...

To each his own, your opinion is valid, I just tend to like Christian music because I don't get my ears cussed out of my skull and don't get some overused bullshit lyrics that have been used in every fucking song before them. Not that most Christian bands don't do that too, I just hate most secular stuff because that situation occurs alot more.


Well, I don't listen to that kind of stuff neither, mostly because all those satanic-imagery type bands I find extremely boring, and I've long since passed through that teen angst "look at me I'm swearing to annoy my parents" stuff.

Dude, just because I swear doesn't mean I like hearing somebody else sing it.
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#26 Posted : 01 September 2009 09:27:06(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
To each his own, your opinion is valid, I just tend to like Christian music because I don't get my ears cussed out of my skull and don't get some overused bullshit lyrics that have been used in every fucking song before them. Not that most Christian bands don't do that too, I just hate most secular stuff because that situation occurs alot more.

I listen to bands who write lyrically about everything from suicide to drug use to straight edge to national pride to racism to egalitarianism to whatever the hell else, but the fact that there are few Christian bands in my collection kind of says it all really. I mean I guess all the great composers of days gone by were all influenced by God to a certain degree but in modern rock music Christian bands have a fair few things to struggle against. Years and years of crazies declaring rock is Satan's music because look at that man Elvis and the ungodly way he shakes his hips, or silly nonsense about old bluesmen selling their soul for the perfect guitar sound and how because all modern rock is derived from blues that it's all inherently evil and corrupting and we should all go back to listen exclusively to Gregorian chanting. And then you've got the aesthetic. My favourite example is Christian black metal, or as some douchebag decided to call it, white metal. Yeah, I know. But I mean black metal was founded by a bunch of angry young Scandinavians who hated Christianity and how the Christian church had decimated their native "pagan" culture, sometimes swinging into realms of satanism (not the LaVey sort but actual proclamations about worshipping demons or whatever the fuck). And so somehow after metal being for years and years a sort of reaction against mainstream beliefs, and all the stories of records telling folk to murder and blah blah blah, I find it highly ironic than someone has taken the nihilistic, pagan church burning sounds of black metal, and while keeping the sound which is still quite "evil", they've flipped the aesthetic on it's head. But the problem is that I'd love to hear a really good white metal band but they just don't seem to have "it".

There's a reason that godless bastards like me have a history of saying that "the devil has all the best music". And that's because the church, as the official bastion of reaction in the western hemisphere will almost inevitably put its self against new forms of music in the beginning because they challenge the status quo in a way that religion does not ever like.

Incidentally, The Devil Wears Prada is one of the single shittiest band names I've ever come across. And I fucking hate metalcore, it's even less worthwhile musically than nu-metal.

Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him. Yeah TDWP is a stupid name and alot of their songs sounds like crap.

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#27 Posted : 01 September 2009 11:15:03(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him.


No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Paradise Lost.
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#28 Posted : 09 September 2009 01:08:42(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
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Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him.


No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Paradise Lost.

No, I'm thinking of Isaiah 14:3-20. Until now, I've never even heard of Paradise Lost, nor do I associate myself with it.
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#29 Posted : 09 September 2009 01:30:20(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
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Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him.


No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Paradise Lost.

No, I'm thinking of Isaiah 14:3-20. Until now, I've never even heard of Paradise Lost, nor do I associate myself with it.


Lucifer is not mentioned at all in that, and the "Morning Star" Lucifer is not the same entity as Satan in the Bible, only in post-Biblical Christian literature. In fact, the fallen angel = satan reading is more appropriate to Islam than to Christianity, since there is no direct link anywhere in the Bible between the fallen angel/morning star Lucifer and Satan. The tradition of the fallen angel is pagan and refers to multiple fallen angels. Because of all the appropriated pagan myths in the Bible, people often mix and match different characters with those of post-Biblical literature, and yet they do not equate Jesus to Osiris or Dionysus, or any number of pagan other traditions of the God-man from the same period.

Anyway my point is, Satan is given many many names in the Bible, but not one of them is Lucifer.
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#30 Posted : 09 September 2009 03:45:29(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
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Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him.


No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Paradise Lost.

No, I'm thinking of Isaiah 14:3-20. Until now, I've never even heard of Paradise Lost, nor do I associate myself with it.

I agree with Paul's post in general, but am flabbergasted that you have never even heard of Paradise Lost.
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#31 Posted : 09 September 2009 04:21:06(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Well, even in the bible it says that Lucifer was the highest ranking angel, being the angel of music and all. When he fell, he took all of the talent with him.


No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Paradise Lost.

No, I'm thinking of Isaiah 14:3-20. Until now, I've never even heard of Paradise Lost, nor do I associate myself with it.

I agree with Paul's post in general, but am flabbergasted that you have never even heard of Paradise Lost.

Agreed on the Paradise Lost thing. Great, great book.

Slightly more on topic: I've been the playing the hell (no pun intended) out of the first three DELIVERANCE records today. These three albums are definitely as good (or maybe even better?) than their non-christian counterparts. Soaring vocals, shredding solos, crushing riffs and a solid rhythm section - what more could you ask?
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anyone else remember the Sout Park episode where cartman forms a Christian Band?

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The World According To St. Jimmy- [Pop-punk/punk- Think Green Day meets Social Distortion]
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Other Christian Songs I like, just cuz they are soulful and my favorite Christian singers sing them.

The Amazing Grace
Ave Maria
Lost Without You
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#35 Posted : 14 September 2009 02:24:38(UTC)
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It's beyond me how someone can dig thrash and not like this. Definitely one of my favorite thrash bands.
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#36 Posted : 14 September 2009 02:50:54(UTC)
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Place Of Skulls are a good wee band, and also happen to write about Christian themes in their lyrics, and are Christians.
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#37 Posted : 14 September 2009 04:07:16(UTC)
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Yeah, PLACE OF SKULLS fucking rule. Victor Griffin is one of the best doom guitarists out there. Becoming a Christian did help him get off of drugs, so more power to him. Besides, PLACE OF SKULLS are far more interesting than PENTAGRAM nowadays.
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I remember only getting into all these Christian extreme metal bands a year or two ago when one of my good friends needed a musical intervention. He listened to things like Linkin Park and DragonForce, which had to be stopped. The issue was that he was a Christian and was, at that time, a very sensitive one, not wanting anything to do with anything even remotely anti-Christian. So, I had to seek out Christian bands within the genres I wanted to show to him and happened to stumble upon some really killer music.

In the non-metal world, Neal Morse makes tremendous Christian prog. Which is surprising, since most Christian prog tends to suck so bad. Granted, he does tend to slip into CCM tendencies sometimes, but it is tolerable when it happens, being as it is sandwiched between thick, thick slabs of modern symphonic prog.
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#39 Posted : 19 September 2009 22:25:13(UTC)
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Gorloche wrote:
In the non-metal world, Neal Morse makes tremendous Christian prog. Which is surprising, since most Christian prog tends to suck so bad. Granted, he does tend to slip into CCM tendencies sometimes, but it is tolerable when it happens, being as it is sandwiched between thick, thick slabs of modern symphonic prog.


Is it any wonder then that I loathe Neil Morse?
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#40 Posted : 20 September 2009 01:06:22(UTC)
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More classic metal for Jesus: Australian death metal legends MORTIFICATION.


They suck big hairy cocks nowadays, but damn me if they weren't brilliant in their heyday.
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