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Offline Aj  
#1 Posted : 14 September 2009 09:20:38(UTC)
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Okay so I'm thinking of investing in some software for my laptop which will let me play around with music and make songs and things like that. Now I'm not talking about something you get free download but like something you buy for serious money like £150/£200 quid for. For instance I'm looking for something that'll let me sample music and put drum beats and synths and things like that. Something I can create drum n bass and dubstep music.

I know I'm not making much sense but basically some music software that will allow me to play around with things, nothing to serious I'm not looking to be the next Mark Ronson but something that'll let me make something along those lines. If I have to buy a synth keyboard along with it that'll be fine to. Just music making software.

If you don't understand, just say, but if you have any suggestions or knolege of things like this then help me owwt please :)
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#2 Posted : 14 September 2009 09:57:19(UTC)
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I've been looking on google and found Ableton, whats that all about ?
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#3 Posted : 14 September 2009 09:59:10(UTC)
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Gildermerbummer could be some use to you. He'll no doubt and pop up at some point.
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#4 Posted : 14 September 2009 09:59:31(UTC)
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I'd go with either Sony Acid or Audacity.
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#5 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:27:18(UTC)
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FL Studio 8 producers addition, I use it to record but my friend is a rapper and he makes all of his beats with it.You can even download music kits from the site for free like stuff from Dr Dre and other rappers.
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#6 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:39:18(UTC)
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Right, this is exactly my area of expertise.

From the sounds of it, the exact program you're looking for would indeed be Ableton Live, or possibly FL Studio, because they are specifically designed for loop-oriented music. I've been considering getting Live myself because I'm increasingly finding my DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) of choice REAPER isn't the best for MIDI-type stuff.

Ableton Live has a lot of very interesting features, and comes with some built in instruments. However, you do have to spend extra for the full Suite of instruments, and it is a fairly large jump in price. Fortunately, that's where plugins come in.

In the computer music world, instruments, effects and processors are what's called plugins. They're little pieces of software that plug-in to your main software (in this example it'd be Live) and can be saved and stored with anything you save in the program. For example, synths, reverbs, guitar amp modellers, and all kinds of fancy stuff. And the great news is, there are a lot of very good free plugins out there if you scout around. If you really get into it, then some commercial plugins you will want to buy, but at least when you're starting out there's a lot you can play around with for free.

I would advise, if you are just beginning, Live LE is the way to go, because a lot of the limitations it has are, for the beginner, things you just won't need at first. Then later you can upgrade to the full Live. But of course, before you rush into anything, try out the demo.

14 day free Ableton trials

I'd advise you spend time playing with that, running through any tutorials they have, and seeing if it works for you.

Oh, and there's a great magazine I get called Computer Music, that has a LOT of free and demo software every month, along with a large library of instruments and effects built up over the years, along with useful tutorials and what have you. It's well worth picking up an issue of that when you're starting out - got me a long way in the beginning.

For more free stuff, reviews and stuff, check out the KVR Plugin Database.

Regarding hardware, if you're just planning on programming MIDI notes, drum patterns and what have you, then you're probably all set - although I would definitely advise getting a pair of semi-decent over-ear headphones, somewhere in the region of £30 if you don't already have some.

My best advice is to not spend money until you know something is worth having, and if possible, grab any free trials you can.
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#7 Posted : 14 September 2009 10:40:48(UTC)
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Although I should say also, FL Studio is also good, I just don't know that much about it myself.

They're both good, they both do similar things, and they both have free trials. Try 'em both.
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#8 Posted : 14 September 2009 17:16:03(UTC)
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Within short comparison, Ableton obviously blows FL out the water in terms of professional content and scope of things it can do, so I'd say Ableton indeed!

Oh, and whereas it is feasible to program everything by hand and click, a MIDI keyboard would make things very much easier.

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#9 Posted : 15 September 2009 03:34:18(UTC)
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Yeah, I have a Korg Kontrol 49 and a Novation Nocturn, although if I didn't I'd probably get a Novation Remote SL. Novation's Automap software is just really cool for real time plugin control. Beats MIDI learn, or spending an hour mapping everything to MIDI CC#s.

Also, as a side note, a lot of hardware units (keyboards, interfaces, etc.) come with Live Lite, which can be upgraded to the full version for a significant discount (€80). My Saffire does, come to think of it. So anyway, keep an eye out for discounts like that if you intend on getting some hardware.

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Offline Aj  
#10 Posted : 15 September 2009 05:04:55(UTC)
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Awesome, thanks! :)
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#11 Posted : 15 September 2009 06:15:57(UTC)
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I downloaded it but now I'm getting no sound. Gaahh :(

I'll have a look later.
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#12 Posted : 15 September 2009 06:46:03(UTC)
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I assume you have to do an audio setup. There's probably a tutorial for that in the program. If not, go to Options, Preferences, then click on the Audio tab to select the driver type and sound card device. It's usually recommended to use ASIO if possible. If you don't have an ASIO driver for your soundcard, ASIO4ALL will sort you out.

When you choose ASIO, there's a bunch of advanced latency options you can set for recording, but if you just use the MME/DirectX for getting started, it should still work. Just make sure you pick the right outs and ins, so you're not sending out to rear speakers that aren't plugged in, or sending a mono signal left. All the advanced ASIO latency stuff you can get to later, as long as you can at least get some sound out of it.

EDIT: Yes, there is a tutorial, in the bottom section of the Lessons panel called "Audio I-O"

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