I wasn't stating my beliefs in the above statement, I was stating my criticizm over other beliefs.

Does the bible say its wrong? lol

Now then, I see you strongly believe that we are created from some huge means. I do believe in a god, but I do not believe he is the almighty you think he is. I believe there is an existance higher than god himself to the point where there are infinite gods. We are no more than just a toy for whoever created us. The christians invented a bible, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's god's words. God created us because we are like ants. And whoever created him, did the same. But overall, all society and existance is pointless and has no value.

No, I said WE'RE not anything.

Post of the month goes to you, sir. :P

Yes, we're here because of one thing: our parents decided to have sex and didn't use any contraceptives.
TA DA, that's the reason why you're here.

I don't think science is a religion, Fokboy and Gildy pretty much said what I think.

On a slightly different note, to Stephanie - saying that "God hates you" is not a Christian thing to say.
1. The whole "God hates fags" movement is farcical. See http://www.lgcm.org.uk for some good essays on Christianity and homosexuality.
2. If you believe that God hates you because you are a sinner - all humans are sinners, and if God is love, surely he can't hate all of us! Timothy Keller, in "The Reason For God", describes a church as "a hospital of sinners rather than a museum of saints". People become Christian to confess their sin to Christ, not to become Christ.
There, that's my piece on that. Now back on topic.

No, I do not see science, evolution, Darwinism, etc. as a religion; nor do I see it as the "anti-religion". On science and Abrahamic religions, it's (shock horror!) possible to believe in both. I went to a Christian school, and we were taught that God made the world in six days - but, we were also taught that it does not specify in the Bible that these "days" were 24 hours. God's days could have been millions, billions of years to us, and "day" is only used as a metaphor for the creation of the Sabbath.
As for science and pagan religions, my personal belief. I believe both in deity, and in evolution. The Gods created the Big Bang, and it all went from there. Though natural selection took its course, who started it off, kept watch over it, and made plans for humans to become the intelligent beings that they are? The Gods did.

I'm not going to be fundamentalist about this and say that I'm right, you're wrong, there's no other way. I accept Christian and other religious beliefs (though I'm a bit dodgy about annoying "you're going to hell" types), and agnostic, atheistic and scientific-only beliefs. I have what I believe, you have what you believe.
I refer you to this James lyric, a verse from "The Shining" (a beautiful song, and lyrically a great piece on religion) -
There are no promises that anyone can speak, the future's full of secrets, the past will never keep.
Neither religion nor science can make promises that they have the whole truth.
The future's full of secrets, and no religion can honestly say that it has all the answers.
The past will never keep, and science may have some proof, but cannot prove everything.

We have belief, we have faith - but we do not have answers. This is, in my opinion, the best way to see it.

Have I contradicted myself? I don't know. I just hope that I've made some sort of point.

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I never said God Hates anybody.

It's ok, we are all human :)

Also on another note, creationism leads to huge leaps in academic progress for basic education here in the states. I'm currently acing honors biology with creationism in mind other than evolution, if I finish it in 9th grade(which I plan on considering I can go and take Phys Science now that I skipped it), I would already have enough credits to get me into college biology. I have yet to know of a curriculum in the american education system based on evolution that can get me into two years of college biology just from completing the book itself. Creationistic biology isn't as preachy as you think, it tells you basically everything a journal of medicine would, without you reading that "blah blah blah eventually evolved into yada yada" and still retaining all scientific fact.

the beutifull thing about dna is that we can examine the differences and similarities between different species on a genetical level...

For example, did you know that we as Humans share the same bit of dna encoding that controls growth and development, with say a house fly.... We share 92% of the same dna with a mouse....
Using dna you can trace a species evolution and work out when different species diverged from each other and thus evolved seperatly.
a facinating fact is that if we look at the dna of many many different species we see the same bit of dna encoding for the eyes, proving that eyes did not evolve several times in different places, but infact probably evolved just onces and then we passed down to every other species from this one organism say one billion years ago.

a really good program to watch is "what Dawin didn't know" which was broadcast on BBC4 a while ago...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00h6sbt