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Offline C4AJoh  
#1 Posted : 01 November 2009 01:18:09(UTC)
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I work at a record store in the UK i have only recently started working there it's a 5 minute walk from where i live and it's just opened and i'm amazed at the lack of interest we have from people we get maybe 5 people who buy an album a day, it's really demoralizing to see how people don't seem interested in buying albums, and it's not that we don't have any decent albums instore we have a massive range from Chart hits - Old albums and unknown albums which aren't available in HMV like Joshua Radin, i was aware that people didn't buy albums much anymore but i didn't realise how bad it had become i purchase at least 3 albums a week.
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#2 Posted : 01 November 2009 01:24:56(UTC)
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I agree, there's like one record store within 5 miles of my house. Stupid iTunes!
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#3 Posted : 01 November 2009 01:30:36(UTC)
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ALX wrote:
I agree, there's like one record store within 5 miles of my house. Stupid iTunes!


Yeah i think a lot of young people dont realise that when you go to a record store it's more than just buying an album it's talking to people about the music which makes the experience great.
HMV is most people's options but that's not the same as a local record store, they just want you to buy something and leave.
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#4 Posted : 01 November 2009 01:33:55(UTC)
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Even on some days we haven't one person coming in to the store, i just don't get it the prices are unbelievably good.
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#5 Posted : 01 November 2009 02:12:15(UTC)
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There's a record store near my house that was totally HUGE (in physical size) some years ago, but now it's just a tiny space you barelly even see.
But they deserved it, their cds were expensive :P
It's really sad that they can disappear someday and music be something exlusive to iTunes and stuff like that. To me, it's almost an orgasmic feeling whenever I see an albums artwork for the first time (not just the cover, everything inside, with the lyrics and such). LPs too.
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#6 Posted : 01 November 2009 02:14:57(UTC)
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There's a great little independent store here in Glasgow called Avalanche Records, they also have a branch or two in Edinburgh, and it's usually fairly busy. Most times I'm in there, there's three or four others, and by the time I've settled on something, somebody else has already paid for something.

But yeah, I'm big on physical product when it comes to music. I buy all my music on CD. Never bought anything digitally (although some stuff I've pre-ordered comes with a digital download as well as the CD), nor do I download illegally. As hyperbolic as this sounds, I like the idea that I own a copy of an album, and that music is not a service being provided to me, or sent to me as little digitally compressed files. Sure, DRM is going away, but the CD is the definitive article for me. Unless there's a disc, in a box of some description, it doesn't feel like a real thing to me. The few times I've been given MP3 rips of albums to listen to, it sits on my hard drive and never gets listened to because it doesn't seem like it's an album.

The order of preference for buying music for me is: direct from the artist, direct from the label, from an independent store, HMV, then if all else fails, Amazon.
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#7 Posted : 01 November 2009 02:19:17(UTC)
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I still buy lots of CDs, although I have been buying less and less the last couple of months. With that said, I never download anything, be it legal or illegal. Nothing beats an original CD, LP or tape.
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#8 Posted : 01 November 2009 02:27:36(UTC)
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You are all crazy downloading music has made my life much easier. I still buy albums from my favorite artists in the stores but still I would hate to have to buy the whole album of an artist who I don't like just because I like one song they put out. But I do agree with the fact that people have become immature about music because of I-tunes. Anyway to me it is just music, as long as I can hear it I'm good And remember technology always advances. You can't get stuck with the past.

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#9 Posted : 01 November 2009 02:48:42(UTC)
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You are all crazy downloading music has made my life much easier. I still buy albums from my favorite artists in the stores but still I would hate to have to buy the whole album of an artist who I don't like just because I like one song they put out. But I do agree with the fact that people have become immature about music because of I-tunes. Anyway to me it is just music, as long as I can hear it I'm good And remember technology always advances. You can't get stuck with the past.


The thing is that for me, for Gildy, and for others, the whole music experience is about the album as a whole rather than the singles in many cases. And I'm not necessarily even just talking about "concept" albums, but just some albums might be lyrically diverse but the whole thing clicks as a piece, despite being split into individual tracks.

It's a rock music thing I guess because I do know that pop artists whose music I have heard and enjoyed reasonably enough to actually download the entire album, they seem to consist of the singles, plus filler songs that just don't feel up to the quality of the single. Obviously this is a generalisation and thus not the case in every time and plenty of "rock" bands can be seen as single bands too, whatever, I'm not really debating that point. I'm more pointing out that since the mid 60s the idea of an album has gone from just a bunch of songs to a whole experience. Sometimes songs work better leading from one to another in the order on the record.

As far as the question of the record store goes, the loss of independent stores is indeed a sad thing though. Back when I was younger, before the internet got fast enough that downloading whole albums was all that realistic (MP3s were either 96kbps or 128kbps, and it still took about half an hour to download one song) I used to dream of owning a wee indie record store of my own. Can't really imagine that a possibility nowadays though unfortunately.
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#10 Posted : 01 November 2009 03:00:14(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:

As far as the question of the record store goes, the loss of independent stores is indeed a sad thing though. Back when I was younger, before the internet got fast enough that downloading whole albums was all that realistic (MP3s were either 96kbps or 128kbps, and it still took about half an hour to download one song) I used to dream of owning a wee indie record store of my own. Can't really imagine that a possibility nowadays though unfortunately.


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#11 Posted : 01 November 2009 03:40:55(UTC)
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I would hate to have to buy the whole album of an artist who I don't like just because I like one song they put out.


That's an attitude I also lament. Now on iTunes you can buy songs you like rather than whole albums. For me, it's all about the album. But then again, it depends on the type of music you listen to. I guess the stuff you listen to it's all about the singles, and the album has a bunch of filler nobody will ever care about. No offence, but that kind of attitude strikes me as lazy - how do you know you don't like something till you listen to it properly.

The type of bands I listen to generally don't do singles, so all the songs on an album are important. Put together in the right order, they all add up to a much greater whole. In the mainstream that's more of a 60s-70s attitude, but in the underground - and I'm not talking deep underground either, even on the fringes of the charts - albums are still the way music is supposed to be heard, and that's the way I prefer it.
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#12 Posted : 01 November 2009 04:00:03(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
I would hate to have to buy the whole album of an artist who I don't like just because I like one song they put out.


That's an attitude I also lament. Now on iTunes you can buy songs you like rather than whole albums. For me, it's all about the album. But then again, it depends on the type of music you listen to. I guess the stuff you listen to it's all about the singles, and the album has a bunch of filler nobody will ever care about. No offence, but that kind of attitude strikes me as lazy - how do you know you don't like something till you listen to it properly.

The type of bands I listen to generally don't do singles, so all the songs on an album are important. Put together in the right order, they all add up to a much greater whole. In the mainstream that's more of a 60s-70s attitude, but in the underground - and I'm not talking deep underground either, even on the fringes of the charts - albums are still the way music is supposed to be heard, and that's the way I prefer it.



When an album comes out these days all the songs are usually found on youtube. Giving me a chance to listen to every single track on the album, now I don't know about you but I am suffering from the economy and I can't afford to be buying full length albums, especially if I am trying to make music on my own. Shaira's album is completely out on youtube and I am still buying it (I pre-ordered it) because I like all of the songs it and I know by buying the album I will be making my money's worth. And for example I love Green Day's new song "21 Guns" and two other tracks(which aren't singles) from the album, but will I buy the album? No because I would waste 8-9 bucks on the 14-15 tracks I would never listen to again .

Many of the stuff I listen to is not even out on I-tunes. It is available for free download by files. I'm trying to let everyone now that I love pop music but that is not the only thing I listen to. And the only reason I don't even bother to mentioning the stuff, is because 99% off the stuff is in Spanish and is music you probably never heard of.

And when it comes to buying a full length album on I-tunes I don't see any difference except that it is not physical and you don't get the fancy artwork. When it comes down to it, it is the same sound, same length. Nothing changes. Now if you need the actual album in order to get the feel from it, then the artist or band did not do their job to make sure the sound was more approachable than some fancy case and a booklet.

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#13 Posted : 01 November 2009 04:25:39(UTC)
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Thorgrim wrote:
forkboy wrote:

As far as the question of the record store goes, the loss of independent stores is indeed a sad thing though. Back when I was younger, before the internet got fast enough that downloading whole albums was all that realistic (MP3s were either 96kbps or 128kbps, and it still took about half an hour to download one song) I used to dream of owning a wee indie record store of my own. Can't really imagine that a possibility nowadays though unfortunately.


Dial up fuck yeah!! Remember that aweful noise that the modem made every time you connected to the interwebs? Ah... the good ol' days...

The best things about those days (I had a 14.4 speed modem) was everything being so fucking slow! It'd take about 30 seconds for a picture to load on the BBC website. Haha. And yeah, the noise of connection. I loved that sound. Well, I hated it then, but when I near it now it's fucking great.

The bad thing was any time a family member would pick up the house phone the internet would die.

Oh yeah, and having to pay per minute online. That was shit.
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#14 Posted : 01 November 2009 09:40:52(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
And when it comes to buying a full length album on I-tunes I don't see any difference except that it is not physical and you don't get the fancy artwork. When it comes down to it, it is the same sound, same length. Nothing changes. Now if you need the actual album in order to get the feel from it, then the artist or band did not do their job to make sure the sound was more approachable than some fancy case and a booklet.


See, that's the big difference right there. What you're getting in iTunes or wherever else is compressed, and personally, I can hear the difference between an average quality MP3 and a CD clear as day. But the point of having the CD is, more than just the actual sleevenotes and artwork (which are often very spartan), is that I can hold it in my hand, and I can put it into a CD player, without having to be at a computer, or syncing it to my mp3 player, or jacking my mp3 player into the back of a stereo, or whatever. The music is its own physical thing.

I guess the notion now is that all these multimedia things will converge into one singular device - see the iPhone - and everyone's media will be in this one little thing... I don't buy that for a second. I don't want to listen to music on a phone, I don't want to surf the web on my TV, I don't want to read books off a screen... For me, I pick an album to listen to like I pick a movie to watch. I want to take a thing, put it into another thing, and then sit down and enjoy it. I don't want to press a button and let a machine pick how it thinks I might best be entertained right now with a smart playlist or any of that, because ultimately it comes down to that great Orwellian idea that maybe, deep down inside all of us, there's a place that they can't get to.

It's still taken for granted that seeing a movie at the cinema is the way to see it. If not that, then on somebody's big screen with the lights out. Yet now it's taken for granted that the way to listen to a song is on youtube, through shitty computer speakers, while chatting on Facebook, or blaring out of awful iPod headphones on a bus.

And just to secure my reputation as a anorak-wearing nerd; almost every album I've ever bought, I remember buying, I remember listening to for the first time, I remember listening to it in a certain specific place, at a certain specific time, I remember the sleeve notes, the artwork, the little details here and there, the fact that the dedication inside Sleepytime Gorilla Museum's "In Glorious Times" to Nils Frykdahl's late brother Per is missing all the letter 'r's for some reason beyond me, the fact that Frank Zappa's "Waka/Jawaka" features an instrument he called Electric Bed-springs, the fact that I was listening to Magma's "Live" while walking up Burghmuir Road in Perth one beautiful September evening in 2004, that I was on a bus in the Summer of 2005 listening to A Silver Mt Zion's first album after having left a group of people before they went to a house party and that I was wearing a shirt I had bought earlier that day and that when I got back my stepfather had placed my still-powered up laptop in the washing basket where it had gotten extremely hot...... and all that seemingly irrelevant stuff actually colours my opinion and enjoyment of an album or an artist in a way that I've just never had simply listening to music at a computer.
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#15 Posted : 01 November 2009 10:21:15(UTC)
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That's a very good point. Almost all of my very strong connections with music are from listening to an album for the first time, on CD. It's definitely not the same level feeling of...epiphany when something really just fucking works.
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Without a doubt I prefer purchasing my music from a record store instead of online. I just love the experience of browsing through hundreds of CD's and maybe coming across something different. I have downloaded the odd song online but I'll always gravitate to the physical product.
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Plus of course, when I walk into a record store, I usually come out with something I wasn't looking for. Doesn't happen like that online.
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#18 Posted : 01 November 2009 12:43:18(UTC)
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Plus of course, when I walk into a record store, I usually come out with something I wasn't looking for. Doesn't happen like that online.

It can do. I mean not in the same way. But say you are in the record store and you see a CD and you go "fuck, I've want to hear that band for ages", it's hardly different to someone mentioning the same band and you go "fuck I've wanted to hear that band for ages" and then jumping onto megadownload.com
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#19 Posted : 03 November 2009 03:36:25(UTC)
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The decline of the independent/Mom-and-Pop record store (and the demise of physical music as well) is a real shame...

Ever since I read "High Fidelity" by Nick Hornby I've always wanted to work in a record store, and seeing the film adaptation of that book, Empire Records and the record store where Molly Ringwald worked in Pretty In Pink just made me want it even more. It just seemed like the coolest thing in the world to do...Also, reading Michael Azzerad's hardcore/postpunk/grunge biography "Our Band Could Be Your Life", with all of its tales of independent stores and all teh cliques they had a recent documentary on the Rough Trade label and associated stores, makes me rue the fact I was born in 1987 as opposed to 1967 or something.

There's just something about going into some damp, poorly lit, messy and overcrowded room packed with racks full of of CD's or vinyl records and looking through all of them that's very different in an indie store. It feels different, not like going to the clean, well presented, uniform chain stores. They're like freakin' Ikeas. Indie stores have character, stories, a bit of a sense of it being an event. Its just not the same copying something or downloading. You click and boom, you have it. With a store, you had to save up for weeks, then you might go in with a few rough ideas of what you're after, spend half and hour or so scouring all voer the place and come out with something you had no idea about and be totally blown away. Yep, I'll accept it can happen online if you're just downloading loads and laods of stuff en masse for free or for cash, but then often a lot of it you never get through ebcause you accumilate so much.

Decent indie stores are hard to find, you generally have to go to big cities to find decent ones. Camden in London has got loads-I'd spend every last penny I owned up there if I wasn't careful. Locally to me, they are few and far between (although there isa good second hand place run by Oxfam). Other than that, its the chain stores, supermarkets, or going into charity shops and taking pot luck. Some are better than others.

My girlfriend (whose parents are forever illegally copying and downloading everything for her) always looks perplexed when I'm trying to explain why I prefer having the physical release over the download. It just feels like more of an achievement and something that you can see when you've got all your stuff in racks or flight cases, something you can immerse yourself in and touch and feel-its a physical biography of your taste and interest in music, really. You don't get that with characters and files on an iPod or computer screen.

Sorry, bit of a ramble...but yeah, short story - the demise of indie record stores SUCKS!!!
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#20 Posted : 03 November 2009 03:41:41(UTC)
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Don't get me wrong I love CD's but what I am saying it shouldn't be a difference music wise when it comes to a digital and a physical.
I actually do miss when how back in the days, Tuesdays would be mayor in the US, when it came to purchasing music. I remember seeing lines of people purchasing music in the store, and now you don't see that as often. But like I said technology is always changing, doesn't mean you have to, but you eventually will.
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