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Offline TheCDs  
#1 Posted : 20 November 2009 19:23:23(UTC)
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What do you think of video games? Are they a form of art or just a toy? If you believe they are art or at least more than toys when and what game made you believe they broke the threshold of just a toy or just entertainment?

For me I 100% believe that the medium of video games can create art. Not every game is a work of art but, especially in the last few generations of video games more and more games are moved towards that level. Looking at just this generation games like Fallout 3 have such beautiful art direction paired with a compelling story and social commentaries to create something that is more than just a toy. Mass Effect deals with racism and discrimination, and even GTA IV presents a commentary on immigration. The first game I can remember that I believed transcended the perceived boundary of the medium was Chrono Trigger for the Super Nintendo. That game contained such deep characters and plotlines that it was levels beyond the platformers and beat 'em ups I was playing at the time.
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#2 Posted : 20 November 2009 21:49:13(UTC)
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The rockstar game is the only game i actually play.
I used to play video games when i was younger but i'm 18 now and i find it a bit weird that some people in their 30's still play computer games.
i think text based games with forums and stuff are ok, but computer games like on the xbox and playstation i don't really play on them anymore.
I think if your over 30 you shouldn't still be playing on computer games unless you have children who play on them.
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#3 Posted : 20 November 2009 22:01:10(UTC)
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C4AJoh wrote:

I think if your over 30 you shouldn't still be playing on computer games unless you have children who play on them.


Sorry but thats just really retarded. Seriously, why shouldn't adults that age or more derive pleasure from video games? It's not a domain of teens and early 20 somethings...I know guys in their 50's that play Football Manager or Halo etc.

To answer the original question, I guess games can sometimes become art where there is that perfect blend of gameplay and story telling. I myself am not really interested in games with story lines, character developments etc. I prefer games like Total War or Football Manager.

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#4 Posted : 20 November 2009 22:21:53(UTC)
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Football Manager i have to say is one game which i would play if i had to pick one computer game to play it would be that.
Also this is just my opinion, i don't really have a problem with people over a certain age playing games, but i personally don't think people in their 30's should be playing computer games.
If your gonna hang me for my opinions so be it.
Just giving my opinion.
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#5 Posted : 21 November 2009 00:07:39(UTC)
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#6 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:01:10(UTC)
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I thought I had seen that sort of opinion around before....
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#7 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:04:37(UTC)
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Captain Insano wrote:
I thought I had seen that sort of opinion around before....


Not by me though, i don't think
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#8 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:05:30(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:07:03(UTC)
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C4AJoh wrote:
Captain Insano wrote:
I thought I had seen that sort of opinion around before....


Not by me though, i don't think


No no, not you...*looks at the whistler*
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#10 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:07:18(UTC)
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I don't remember saying the same thing
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#11 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:08:42(UTC)
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I get it now.
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#12 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:10:42(UTC)
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Lifelong gamer here, and I reject the notion that being a "toy" is a bad thing. Games are an interactive medium, and as such, the better the interaction, the better the game. Problem is how do you define interaction. MEtal Gear Solid is interactive, it just happens to be interaction that unfolds in an entirely linear story. You play through a section and you are rewarded with another long story cutscene. Super Mario Bros barely has any story, so it's all about the gameplay, all interaction. The reward of playing Mario platformers is that playing Mario platformers is inherently fun.

As for the age thing, I think it's ridiculous that games are somehow off-limits to adults, as though once you hit a certain age you have to stop listening to certain music, or watching certain TV, start wearing a tweed suit and smoking a pipe... That notion suggests that only children need play or fun. I mean, what the hell are single adults supposed to do with their free time and disposable income? I was grew up in the 8 and 16 bit era, my parents played on old home-computers with cassette decks before I was born. Kids nowadays, they think of Grand Theft Auto and Call of Duty and what have you, but when I was a kid, it was Mario and Sonic (back when Sonic games were actually competent), and you'd buy these games that were difficult, that you might have to keep replaying the same simple level over and over again - yet that was still fun, and is still fun today. But in those days, games were seen as being for kids simply because of the way they looked. Now the stigma is still there, yet games look like GTA or Bioshock, and people get upset as if suddenly it went from cute furry creatures to childhood-destroying murder simulators. A lot of people don't even realise that all those kids who were playing the old Marios and Zeldas, they've grown up now, and are still playing games. Now it's an assbackward world where 12 year olds wouldn't be seen playing Mario because it's "for babies", and will instead get their parents to buy them GTA4, and despite the obvious age warnings all over the packaging, the parents just don't register that GTA4 is not about a little Italian plumber stomping on turtles, but about an immigrant rising up a ladder of criminals through murder, prostitution, drugs, and reckless driving.

So the idea that after 18, the earliest age somebody can legally purchase a GTA game in the UK, people should stop playing videogames, that strikes me as a strange conservative traditionalism where men should join the big company in town with his white shirt and brown shoes and the women should stay bake pies in their floral dresses.
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#13 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:13:31(UTC)
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I would like women to be in the kitchen baking pies so I can play my games in peace goddammit!
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#14 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:15:51(UTC)
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Captain Insano wrote:
I would like women to be in the kitchen baking pies so I can play my games in peace goddammit!


This phrase ticks me off.
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#15 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:26:46(UTC)
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Its true...there nothing worse than a women trying to interrupt a marathon session of Football Manager.
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#16 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:41:59(UTC)
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Used to be a huge gamer til I was err... around 15 or 16 years old. Bought a Playstation 3 a couple of months ago, but unfortunately I hardly get round to gaming. Every once in a while I do get the old SNES or N64 out of the closet and play some Super Mario World or Starfox 64. Those were the days...
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#17 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:43:51(UTC)
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I want to hunt down a Master System just to play Wonderboy and all that again. I did have a Mega Drive, the only games I can remember ever playing on it was Brian Laras Cricket and NBA Live.
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#18 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:48:09(UTC)
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I was one of dem Nintendo kids. Never owned a Sega system, though I did play the old Sonic games at a buddy's house in the nineties. If you ask me, the NES and SNES are still the best consoles ever made.
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#19 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:51:03(UTC)
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I never did play anything on the SNES...my girlfriend still has hers somewhere and swears it rocks.
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#20 Posted : 21 November 2009 01:57:51(UTC)
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C4AJoh wrote:
I think if your over 30 you shouldn't still be playing on computer games unless you have children who play on them.


Maybe people who are 30 shouldnt watch movies or read book either. This line is the biggest piece of bull I have ever seen.
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