why not change your appearance? you do it everyday with shampoo, toothbrushes, combs, tanning salons, etc. Plastic Surgery is on a bigger scale i understand, but still, it's the same concept. That's my argument against religious people. But if you are like me, where your religion isn't about reading a book which the writers were afraid to go into a full cave of gold just because they thought the big bad ghosts would come out with no evidence, and not to sound like complete pussies they call it "Satan's rage" so they can still bone that hot chick, who will still reject you because you taught her about a higher power to sound all valiant and righteous, and you will get all pissed off for tellin' that story, so you walk around killing random people, to which people call you "acursed" and you're like "fuck you beetch!" and then you get shot, but you're about to die, and that chick from before comes up and says "sorry", and you say "you just couldn't let me into your pants", and she's like you told me not to from before, and you're like "Shit!", then go ahead and tell Jimmy that he will have to park his own car.....wait, what am i talkin' about again?

Edited by user 05 December 2009 09:26:54(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Yeah. But that's fair enough if you are anything from average and above in appearance. Or fuck, even if you are a total uggo, but self-confident. The problem is with people who have little confidence in their own self-worth, physically, mentally or otherwise. Now I think plastic surgery is stupid myself, but I can upto a point understand why people do it. I mean everyone (WARNING! GENERALISATION!) wants to stay looking fairly young forever. How many people want to become wrinkly, saggy old bags of shit? I certainly don't think it's immoral to go under the knife for aesthetic reasons. I'd not do it myself, but immoral? No. Murder is immoral. Rape is immoral. Capitalism is immoral? Feeling self-concious? Not so bad really, in the scheme of things.

Of course I also agree with Paul in that the people who get botox and can't move their facial muscles look ridiculous, but it's a personal choice and is ultimately not fuck all to do with you or me. Whatever makes you happy in your self, that's really what matters.

Indeed. The world seems unjust, you are but the sum of your parents genes and that is hardly fair.

I surely can't be the only one who feels the question itself has verged into the absurd can I? I mean maybe I just have distinct views on morality, but the idea of trying to make you feel comfortable in your own skin whilst hurting nobody else hardly strikes me as all that immoral.

It doesn't really bother me. My mother is quite a fan (she's been worked on three times) and they all came out fine. But there are some people that go crazy over the surgery and end up looking wayyy worse.

That idea was around before cosmetic surgery and is much to do with western attitudes.

I think it's more of an effect than a cause to be honest.

I support breast enlargements.

I think this is more of an ethical question than a moral question. To me ethics is a question of what you should or should not do. That is it is not ethical for a reporter to take gifts from the subject of their story, but it isn't inherently wrong. Morality to me deals with the issue of right vs. wrong. It is immoral to harm another human being, etc. Also, morals are generally accepted across an entire culture or society where as ethics are a bit more debatable and narrow. Journalists have a set of ethics, doctors have a set of ethics, and so on.

Edited by user 06 December 2009 07:43:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

They really aren't, at least in my mind. Is there anything wrong with not tipping your waiter/waitress? No, and society won't have your head for it, its not a moral choice. Should you tip your waiter/waitress if the service was good or excellent? Society's ethics dictate that you should. Again its not right and wrong, its should and should not. I can do something I should not do without doing something wrong.

Edited by user 06 December 2009 07:48:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I have no problem with people getting cosmetic surgeries. What bothers me is the people who push others to get such surgeries. For instance, wealthy parents (mothers usually) who push their daughter to have this or that done to fix their appearance, or the doctor who through suggestion "up-sells" you. You may have went in for a simple nose job but the doc noticed some lines under your eyes, he can probably get those out, for an extra cost of course.