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User is suspended until 16/05/4760 03:38:29(UTC) stephaniewazhere  
#181 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:30:16(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
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I think the thread should be locked.


Why? Just because you won't change your opinions at all and your just going to sit there being childish and refuse everything that's thrown at you without questioning anything ever. In fact even if you don't change your stance on religeon debates like this should open your eyes to question the world a little more which is no bad thing :)


Stop acting like a retard. How am I going to change the facts about MY religion, and how is he going to change his opinion on it. Nothing is being progressed here. Don't you get it little boy, that all this is going to do is cause a circle. And being childish? Because I stand for what I believe I'm being childish, I'm doing my job as child from Christ, which is to make everyone aware of him. For all I could know you could be a Christian pretending to not be one, and if you are one, you are in for some harsh punishment from God. And if you're not, you need to learn about about Religion and how it works. I have questioned the world and have found the answers I need on the bible and you would too if you will stop being so naive or scornful.

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#182 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:38:25(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
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I think the thread should be locked.


Why? Just because you won't change your opinions at all and your just going to sit there being childish and refuse everything that's thrown at you without questioning anything ever. In fact even if you don't change your stance on religeon debates like this should open your eyes to question the world a little more which is no bad thing :)


Stop acting like a retard. How am I going to change the facts about MY religion, and how is he going to change his opinion on it. Nothing is being progressed here. Don't you get it little boy, that all this is going to do is cause a circle. And being childish? Because I stand for what I believe I'm being childish, I'm doing my job as child from Christ, which is to make everyone aware of him. For all I could know you could be a Christian pretending to not be one, and if you are one, you are in for some harsh punishment from God. And if you're not, you need to learn about about Religion and how it works. I have questioned the world and have found the answers I need on the bible and you would too if you will stop being so naive or scornful.



Your being childish by refusing to accept others opinions, as are both sides admittidly. If you all weren't so stubborn maybe some progress could be made. The problem here is not the fact that it's a debate about the subject, it's because the people involved won't change there minds. If you all open your eyes and accept either of you could be right then you may actually be better off. But by you just saying this debate should be locked is just silly and shows that you wont change your mind, however Forkboy and Gildermershina are both still willing to carry on the debate I believe.

And you don't have to change the facts about your religion. Your religion can be interpreted in many different ways as is shown throughout the many number of different types of Christianity there are. So maybe, just maybe, if you weren't such an arrogant, stubborn sod your interpretation could be altered for the better.

I'll ignore the little boy comment.
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#183 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:43:16(UTC)
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AJ just grow up and stop failing at trying to make yourself sound mature.

Proof, once again that isn't going anywhere. Somebody lock this thing already.


Edit: I forgot, God Loves You!

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#184 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:47:57(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
AJ just grow up and stop failing at trying to make yourself sound mature.

Proof, once again that isn't going anywhere. Somebody lock this thing already.


Edit: I forgot, God Loves You!


I wasn't trying to make myself sound mature, I was just saying what I think. Your just an irritating arsehole who approximately two people like on this board.

I mean I must at least have around 3 fans surely ;)


Edit: I forgot, God isn't REAL.
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#185 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:51:48(UTC)
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Ok, God I think my job here is done. God have mercy on all of your souls.
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#186 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:54:32(UTC)
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This has went to personal insults, and I feel that this is not what the thread is about. We stated our beliefs and we argued for them, thus, this arguement has went as long as it can without turning to more personal insults.

Bless you all, real or not, believer or not, bless you all.
Amen.
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#187 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:57:09(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
This has went to personal insults, and I feel that this is not what the thread is about. We stated our beliefs and we argued for them, thus, this arguement has went as long as it can without turning to more personal insults.

Bless you all, real or not, believer or not, bless you all.
Amen.


STOP BLESSING ME. I DONT WANT TO BE BLESSED.
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#188 Posted : 07 December 2009 07:58:27(UTC)
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Fine then, to hell with you I dont care. Lol.
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#189 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:05:38(UTC)
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Fine then, to hell with you I dont care. Lol.


Ahaa, thank you :) And most please I am to be going there.
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#190 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:06:27(UTC)
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#191 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:13:05(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:

No, because the bible is there, for those you claim God doesn't exist, they can still see if he loves us or not, because the bible is there. But if you don't know anything about the bible or use quotes from it without looking further in to it, you have no reason to discuss here. Because that's not the point of the thread in the first place.

That's why I've come with the decision to go any further since, its going to be a circle.
No type of agreemnet is going to be made so what is the point.

That's why we should drop it, which you now seem to have trouble doing.

People don't just drop an argument because their opponent is out of their depth intellectually.

If you knew the first thing about the Bible you would realise that the vast majority of biblical scholars (that is, people who professionally study and interpet the Bible) do not accept that the Bible is the direct word of God. It is the (at best. Clearly I don't accept this definition as an athiest) word of God as channeled through man. It (the New Testament) did not even exist in the form we would recognise today until about 500AD. There were other books which were once accepted as part of biblical canon which were since rejected, there were books added and then removed and put back in and taken away again, and all this was decided by a bunch of Catholics at various church councils. The existence of a book that claims to be divinely inspired does not prove God's love. Because then the question is simply whose God loves me? The God of Islam? Why are you so certain that your God is the one true God?

Believers are always remarkably reticent when it comes to this question.
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#192 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:19:57(UTC)
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You may have this image of you partying and drinking with the Devil, but actually you would be more like his slave. Working hard as he crack a whip on you shoulder, and trying to keep your face from melting as large bubbles in your skin burst from the heat oozing blood and puss everywhere as your hair fries off. Yea, enjoy that.

Of course you will come back with the comment "I dont believe in Hell so it doesn't matter to me" but if your are wrong then you will hope you would have cared about that sort of thing.


Enjoy that beer, that toke of weed, because you will be suffering in the smoke for all eternity for it unless you repent sinners. Gods mercy be with you, for no one so blind seems to want to do so. Only you can save yourself, and you choose not to, and choose to not believe. I respect your decision...all I can do is warn you of the consequences.
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#193 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:22:23(UTC)
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The word "hell" isn't even part of the original NT, never mind the old one. the word "hell" is an English word used haphazardly to describe Hebrew words such as Gehenna and Hades, two completely different places.

Gehenna was a place outside of Jerusalem where they burned trash and the dishonourable dead (such as thieves and murderers put to death) the fire of this place never went out because it was always being fed with things. So to describe an everlasting destruction, Gehenna(or hell) is used.
Unfortunately with the warped views that came with the great apostasy predicted in the First Century Congregation, Gehenna/hell was transcribed as a literal place of torment.

Hades, on the other hand, was described as a temporary death. Jonah referred to his place within the fishes belly as Hades. Job asked God to send him into Hades until he was remembered, thus the idea of Hades being a temporary death until the great resurrection predicted in the book of revelation, post armageddon.
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#194 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:23:08(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
You may have this image of you partying and drinking with the Devil, but actually you would be more like his slave. Working hard as he crack a whip on you shoulder, and trying to keep your face from melting as large bubbles in your skin burst from the heat oozing blood and puss everywhere as your hair fries off. Yea, enjoy that.

Of course you will come back with the comment "I dont believe in Hell so it doesn't matter to me" but if your are wrong then you will hope you would have cared about that sort of thing.


Enjoy that beer, that toke of weed, because you will be suffering in the smoke for all eternity for it unless you repent sinners. Gods mercy be with you, for no one so blind seems to want to do so. Only you can save yourself, and you choose not to, and choose to not believe. I respect your decision...all I can do is warn you of the consequences.


AMEN AMEN AMEN!!! You're on a roll!
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#195 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:24:29(UTC)
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Isn't just the soul that goes to hell?
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#196 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:25:06(UTC)
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True true. Judaism doesn't even know anything like what many Christians call hell. If it didn't mean losing a bit of my johnson, I'd definitely be a Jew.
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#197 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:27:45(UTC)
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Wrong, Hell is the dwelling of Satan, and is mentioned in Revelations when the sinners are thrown into darkness as Jesus takes his thrown on Earth and the old Hell, and life passover.

What did you do, look that up on google or something? Dont trust the internet, it lies.

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#198 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:28:26(UTC)
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Isn't just the soul that goes to hell?


Yes, but in Heaven the soul feels no pain, where as in Hell the pain that the human body experience carrys on with the soul.
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#199 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:29:38(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
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Isn't just the soul that goes to hell?


Yes, but in Heaven the soul feels no pain, where as in Hell the pain that the human body experience carrys on with the soul.


Also if you go to hell you get one more chance, I forgot where it says it on Revelations. Something about cutting your head.
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#200 Posted : 07 December 2009 08:30:36(UTC)
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to be honest i would probably go for Islam if i was going to choose a religion.. The Koran is one of th emost poetic and beutiful religious books ever written i think...
i am however a dirty athiest.. *shrugs*

according to Judaism which is what Christianity is base on then no... you go to Gehenna, ie purgatory where a person reflects on his/her past & stays for 11 months or there abouts..
which is why i find Christians swearing at people and raving about them burning in hell forever makes me laugh...

what we think of as hell was inserted into the bible during the First Century Congregation or there abouts, to scare more people into joining up the brand spankin new religion hitting the streets...
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