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Paradox wrote:Thorgrim wrote:Rincewind wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:Raphaela wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:It's not like God choose to do it that way. And yes that is Satan's rule. Once you go to hell Satan owns you. What's the point of going to heaven if you don't have a head, then? You don't have to answer that, I just needed to say it. Matter fact I do :P Um, when you go to heaven, no one really knows how you are going to look like, we might not even have a head or arms or feet. But we will have a soul that will feel no pain whatsoever. John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. your going to believe the words of a Greek who was writing 100 years after Jesus died? now thats faith! Don't trust Greeks! They invented gayness! I thought it was the romans, Neron got married with a guy several times Greek's were the bitchingest civilisation way before the Romans even became an empire. The Roman Republic was founded in 508BC, the first Greek city-states started forming in about 900BC. Large swathes of Rome was heavily influenced by the Greeks. Even their Gods are basically just the Greek ones renamed. |
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Rincewind wrote:asdf wrote:But, Rince, I am not Jewish, and do in fact believe in the existance of Hell, and that is why I am arguing about it. i think you are missing the point of my argument... Maybe because i am not wording it correctly, maybe because you don't want to listen to what i am saying.... Hell is an invention that only came about at the earlist 80 odd years after Jesus died. Christianity is the bastard child of Judaism, so if the big daddy doesn't mention it but the child does then it has clearly been added somewhere.. if they had added in that every tuesday you had to have sex with a dog or go to hell.... would you believe that as well? No, I would not. Jesus did say that those who believe in him, and God would meet him in Heaven when they die, he did not say what would happen to those who didnt, but yet Satan did exist at the time to, as Jesus met him and was tempted by him, therefore Hell surely exists, or Satan would not either. It may have been added in, but it was only to give name to something that previously was nameless, and I see no problem with that. |
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asdf wrote:Rincewind wrote:asdf wrote:But, Rince, I am not Jewish, and do in fact believe in the existance of Hell, and that is why I am arguing about it. i think you are missing the point of my argument... Maybe because i am not wording it correctly, maybe because you don't want to listen to what i am saying.... Hell is an invention that only came about at the earlist 80 odd years after Jesus died. Christianity is the bastard child of Judaism, so if the big daddy doesn't mention it but the child does then it has clearly been added somewhere.. if they had added in that every tuesday you had to have sex with a dog or go to hell.... would you believe that as well? No, I would not. Jesus did say that those who believe in him, and God would meet him in Heaven when they die, he did not say what would happen to those who didnt, but yet Satan did exist at the time to, as Jesus met him and was tempted by him, therefore Hell surely exists, or Satan would not either. It may have been added in, but it was only to give name to something that previously was nameless, and I see no problem with that. Lol, I'm looking at my bible, and looking at my highlighted verses and everything you say, its highlighted.
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forkboy wrote:Paradox wrote:Thorgrim wrote:Rincewind wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:Raphaela wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:It's not like God choose to do it that way. And yes that is Satan's rule. Once you go to hell Satan owns you. What's the point of going to heaven if you don't have a head, then? You don't have to answer that, I just needed to say it. Matter fact I do :P Um, when you go to heaven, no one really knows how you are going to look like, we might not even have a head or arms or feet. But we will have a soul that will feel no pain whatsoever. John 3:2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. your going to believe the words of a Greek who was writing 100 years after Jesus died? now thats faith! Don't trust Greeks! They invented gayness! I thought it was the romans, Neron got married with a guy several times Greek's were the bitchingest civilisation way before the Romans even became an empire. The Roman Republic was founded in 508BC, the first Greek city-states started forming in about 900BC. Large swathes of Rome was heavily influenced by the Greeks. Even their Gods are basically just the Greek ones renamed. Right I just remembered watching an Iliad docummetary and it said something about the Achilles/Patroclus implicit homosexual relationship |
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I've added that website to my favorites. Awesome stuff. It seems that everyone that considers himself a christian on this board has actually forgotten what being a christian is all about: being a good person, and not preaching on a random messageboard to people that they'll go to hell if they don't accept Jesus or trying to convince everyone that christianity is the truth blahblahblahblah. I'm glad fundies are scarce where I'm from.
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asdf wrote:Rincewind wrote:asdf wrote:But, Rince, I am not Jewish, and do in fact believe in the existance of Hell, and that is why I am arguing about it. i think you are missing the point of my argument... Maybe because i am not wording it correctly, maybe because you don't want to listen to what i am saying.... Hell is an invention that only came about at the earlist 80 odd years after Jesus died. Christianity is the bastard child of Judaism, so if the big daddy doesn't mention it but the child does then it has clearly been added somewhere.. if they had added in that every tuesday you had to have sex with a dog or go to hell.... would you believe that as well? No, I would not. Jesus did say that those who believe in him, and God would meet him in Heaven when they die, he did not say what would happen to those who didnt, but yet Satan did exist at the time to, as Jesus met him and was tempted by him, therefore Hell surely exists, or Satan would not either. It may have been added in, but it was only to give name to something that previously was nameless, and I see no problem with that. indeed he is mentioned... i believe in Job lucifer is described as the loyal servent of God with the task or testing the faith and rightousness of god's people... or something like that anyway.. in Issiah, lucifer is descried as a rebelious man... not angel. how strange... |
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stephaniewazhere wrote:asdf wrote:Thorgrim wrote:Not quite, since I'm pretty sure there won't be a rapture on the eighteenth. Catholics are not premillenialists, in case you didn't know that. I was only responding to the idea of if it did happen on the 14th. Exactly and it says on the bible, he would come when its least expected Matthew 24:36 concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son (which is Jesus), but the Father (Which is God) only. That´s concerning the Second Coming, not the rapture. The whole idea of a rapture, let alone a pretribulation one, is not in the bible, and is all the vivid imagination of a fellow named John Nelson Darby.
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It was predicted to happen then, but it was predicted by people, which means that it had no means to actually happen. God knows, we do not. We predicted it, and got it wrong.
No. ALLEGEDLY God knows. And God ALLEGEDLY told these people. And these people then wrote it down. That's what Joseph Smith claimed. So why aren't you a Mormon? Plenty of other people have claimed to be divinely inspired, you don't believe them all. So why believe this one particular guy and a bunch of his pals? Question remains unanswered. And Paradox, yes, sodomy was perfectly acceptable in Greek and Roman culture. Hell, in many others as well. It's only while our morality has been perverted and warped to view sex as something nasty rather than what it is, a life giver and a pleasure giver, thanks to the Abrahamic faiths. So hooray to them, the repressed cunts. |
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Rincewind wrote:asdf wrote:Rincewind wrote:asdf wrote:But, Rince, I am not Jewish, and do in fact believe in the existance of Hell, and that is why I am arguing about it. i think you are missing the point of my argument... Maybe because i am not wording it correctly, maybe because you don't want to listen to what i am saying.... Hell is an invention that only came about at the earlist 80 odd years after Jesus died. Christianity is the bastard child of Judaism, so if the big daddy doesn't mention it but the child does then it has clearly been added somewhere.. if they had added in that every tuesday you had to have sex with a dog or go to hell.... would you believe that as well? No, I would not. Jesus did say that those who believe in him, and God would meet him in Heaven when they die, he did not say what would happen to those who didnt, but yet Satan did exist at the time to, as Jesus met him and was tempted by him, therefore Hell surely exists, or Satan would not either. It may have been added in, but it was only to give name to something that previously was nameless, and I see no problem with that. indeed he is mentioned... i believe in Job lucifer is described as the loyal servent of God with the task or testing the faith and rightousness of god's people... or something like that anyway.. in Issiah, lucifer is descried as a rebelious man... not angel. how strange... Lucifer was indeed created by God, he was a cherub. But Lucifer began to worship himself instead of God, and lavished in his own beauty. He became rebellious towards God for not letting him have his own kingdom, and so God cast him from Heaven and he was disfigured, and manifested as Satan, the deceiver of mankind and enemy of God. |
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Paradox wrote:asdf wrote:I never once told someone that they in particular they would go to Hell if they didn't believe, I said EVERYONE who doesn't accept him, would go. So thats like saying Quote:He didnt killed himself, he commited suicide No its not. You can believe in God like I do, but if you haven't been baptized and personally accept him as your savior, you will got to hell.
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It was predicted to happen then, but it was predicted by people, which means that it had no means to actually happen. God knows, we do not. We predicted it, and got it wrong.
No. ALLEGEDLY God knows. And God ALLEGEDLY told these people. And these people then wrote it down. That's what Joseph Smith claimed. So why aren't you a Mormon? Plenty of other people have claimed to be divinely inspired, you don't believe them all. So why believe this one particular guy and a bunch of his pals? Question remains unanswered. And Paradox, yes, sodomy was perfectly acceptable in Greek and Roman culture. Hell, in many others as well. It's only while our morality has been perverted and warped to view sex as something nasty rather than what it is, a life giver and a pleasure giver, thanks to the Abrahamic faiths. So hooray to them, the repressed cunts. I do not believe in the mormon beliefs. In the Christian Bible, and beliefs, only God knows the date. |
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stephaniewazhere wrote:Paradox wrote:asdf wrote:I never once told someone that they in particular they would go to Hell if they didn't believe, I said EVERYONE who doesn't accept him, would go. So thats like saying Quote:He didnt killed himself, he commited suicide No its not. You can believe in God like I do, but if you haven't been baptized and personally accept him as your savior, you will got to hell. Except not every Christian accepts baptism as a neccessary part of being a Christian, such as the theologian Zwingli |
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It was predicted to happen then, but it was predicted by people, which means that it had no means to actually happen. God knows, we do not. We predicted it, and got it wrong.
No. ALLEGEDLY God knows. And God ALLEGEDLY told these people. And these people then wrote it down. That's what Joseph Smith claimed. So why aren't you a Mormon? Plenty of other people have claimed to be divinely inspired, you don't believe them all. So why believe this one particular guy and a bunch of his pals? Question remains unanswered. And Paradox, yes, sodomy was perfectly acceptable in Greek and Roman culture. Hell, in many others as well. It's only while our morality has been perverted and warped to view sex as something nasty rather than what it is, a life giver and a pleasure giver, thanks to the Abrahamic faiths. So hooray to them, the repressed cunts. I do not believe in the mormon beliefs. In the Christian Bible, and beliefs, only God knows the date. I am clearly aware that you believe Christianity to be right. I am not aware how you make the distinction between which shyster you think is right and who is a liar or deranged. Which is what I am asking. |
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Paradox wrote:Hey by the way dont you all find a disturbing similarity between Zeus and God, and between the Tartarus and the Christian Hell, im starting to think Jesus might have ripped off the Greeks no Jesus is more of a Mithras, Osiris, Dionysus kind of dude.. all of which were around centuries before jesus, which makes you think doesn't it.... |
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