Moronic.

American Idiot has already sold 5,500,000 copies in America alone, it's a multiple platinum selling album and their second biggest selling record, after Dookie which has gone Diamond (10,000,000 sale plus). You can hate American Idiot if that's what you want to do but fuck off is it an album that turned people against Green Day with sales figures like that.

Totally agree with you there.
American Idiot is one of the best albums released in a long time, It was the first proper album I ever bought and I hadn't heard of Green Day before American Idiot, mainly because I was kinda young and never paid too much attention to music. But like I say American Idiot is one of the best albums over the last 20 (maybe even 30) years.
On 21st Century Breakdown, I counted down the days for it and I was really looking forward to it. It was a long time coming and it was a solid album, I think it was the right move for Green Day because to me personally it has a much more diverse mix of music in it but it was never gonna compete with American Idiot.

Yeah that I can understand, obviously American Idiot is not for everyone and thats fair enough but at least you gave it a chance.

Whilst it may not be everyone's taste in music...it is plain ignorance to suggest that Lady GaGa is not talented. Here we have an artist who achieved mega stardom at the age of 21 on MERIT, by writing her own music, being an innovator in bringing a new kind of pop to the fore, and basically not giving a fuck what people said about her, rumours and all. As I say, not for everyone, but clearly a very talented individual.

This. I have no problem in admitting that in my opinion, Gaga is far more talented than Greenday.

Musically speaking, seeing as I believe she has a degree in it and she wrote for labels starting at like 18 I'd consider Gaga better than Green Day. However they've been my favorite band for years and I listen to Death Metal for the most part. I consider American Idiot a decent album by Green Day that simply doesn't sound like Green Day. If you think of it that way it's fine. However, 21CB is their attempt at trying to be mature and was God awful and that's not really selling out either because it's actually less commercial than most of their records. Eithe way it fucking sucks.

You clearly don't know who you're talking to, or, for that matter, what forkboy's trying to say. It's moronic to suggest that a massively successful album that is pre-dated by a string of not quite as successful albums 'turned people off' to Greenday. Yes, it may have pissed off old fans, but how can you possibly suggest that "more and more people finally began agreeing on the fact that Greenday sucks" when it's their second most popular record. Clearly, from a number stand point, there's hardly ever been a time when more people liked them.

Anyone who says Lady Gaga and/or Britney Spears are not talented is clearly trying to be a follower with all the anti-pop/pop music rebells. If she wasn't talented she wouldn't be where she is at today. (As annoying as that sounds, think about it!) No doubt Lady Gaga is talented, because you can be talented at being a good gimmick in the industry. You can be talented at eating people's mind with a certain image/look. You can be talented at writing hit songs. But is she original? HELL NO. It's funny because then the Madonna fans come in and say if it wasn't for Madonna Lady Gaga wouldn't be here, yet they don't know what they are talking about. Last time I checked Madonna was never original. So it's like a copycat copying another copycats work. While it's pleasing and it seems original it is not. Just because you never seen it before, doesn't mean it's original.

On to the sales. Pop/Rock will always be dominant in the market, because it's appealing to people (Like Gildermershina said) that have zero patience. That's just how it is. Don't get pissed off because not everyone is a music nerd and not everyone takes music seriously. There are a certain type of music I don't like and will most likely ever like because I gave my all already to like it and it never worked. It doesn't mean I completely give up on the genre and it doesn't mean i have the right to call them talentless.

You can say you don't like the type of music, but saying the person is not talented simply because you don't like that type of music it's just plain being rebellious.........and stupid.

Wow the ignorance in your post seriously hurts my brain and did you just completely ignore what I just said?

First of all, Britney Spears didn't become big because she was in the Disney Channel. She became big because she worked her ass off to release the first hit single they wrote for her at the time for her first album. From performing across malls in america, signing as many copies as she could to....... releasing a very controversial music video to a very catchy song at the time. That's what really sparked her career. Getting into the Disney Channel was not an easy thing to do in the first place. She was considered an average comedic actress at the time but Britney Spears was always talented since she was a little kid. If you look at her tapes when she was younger you can clearly see what her talent is (Sining and dancing). Unlike Miley Cyrus, Britney spears had to fight to where she was at the time and not get her famous one hit wonder daddy to get her into the business. That is less respectable in my opinion.

Britney spears is known for entertainment and just like a painter is talented at painting, Britney spears is TALENTED at entertaining.

People who say Britney Spears is a horrible singer are the people who think that just because she is miming she can't sing. Those people are the followers and pop rebells (EX: you) and obviously with her rapidly fast pop music and the image that backs it up, she can't sing on most of her songs. She's an entertainer on stage and in camera. Britney spears herself admitted that she would love to have a better voice or even a voice like Christina Aguilera. SHE ADMITTED IT. Does that mean she is not talented? Of course not.

An actually in Britney's defense once again, producers have said that while Britney Spears doesn't have the voice she has, Britney can hit certain notes that many singers cannot. and that has so far remained the most underrated thing about her voice. Also Britney has written some of her songs, she just doesn't go the extra mile with it, because she doesn't need to. She's already established herself as an entertainer unless she decides to change that in the future some how. There are plenty fake videos out there claiming that they are exposing Britney's voice. But since the rebells make it seem that she cannot sing and they use any performance were Britney makes a mistake to back it up, they are believed by people like you.



Addition: also comparing Britney Spears to Souljaboy and Miley Cyrus was clearly the wrong idea. Miley Cyrus is talented and the girl actually sings while performing. But the impact Britney made when she was her age was much more bigger than Miley Cyrus.

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My annoyance is not that you don't like her or think she's a great artist. My annoyance is you saying that she has not talent. I'm aware that everyone has an opinion, but her having a talent is a fact. Yes her voice is enhanced digitally, and all that good stuff but she has sung at interviews and she sings pretty good. I don't know if she still can sing now a this moment but it's just one of those things you never forget to do. There is a difference between sounding good and knowing how to sing and Britney knows how to sing. There are videos out there, look for them. The fact that you can work hard at something is acceptable. Not many people can do what Britney did at such an age, living up to the whole busy schedule and all the demands. Why do you think she went berserk and shaved her head. (Yeah she did it for attention, but that's what fame and the torture sh was going through made her do. It made her feel better. Sort of like cutters(people who cut themselves)

Now on to Gaga. Gaga has an undeniable voice and she is an incredible songwriter. Lady Gaga is a musician (Britney is not) and an entertainer(Britney is). That's the difference. On the music department Lady Gaga is way more intelligent and experienced (I can even say) than Britney but entertaining wise, I don't think so. Britney is a much better dancer than Lady Gaga in so many levels. In fact, all Lady Gaga can really do is jerk and twitch and jump around a little. But that's just my opinion on the whole comparison to Lady Gaga. Now on the "artist" department, they are both equally shameless gimmicks. So Lady Gaga is no better than Britney in my opinion, even though she writes and sings better.