A Conversation with Reported Failure and Avil Hartman about "Lie In" conducted by Max Pruitt
Part 1 of 2 Right right welcome one welcome all to Max-Volume. I'm your host Max Pruitt and we've got a great conversation ahead of us with a band I know all of you want to hear from. They captivated us in 2013 with "Rome" and now they are back with a new LP, their seventh, I'm going to be talking with Reported Failure. The album is called "Lie In" and you can get it now. We're going to be talking about what that title means, we're going to be talking a bit about whats been going on in the world lately, we're going to talk about Reported Failure past present and future, and most of all we're going to talk about the music. Producer Avil Hartman is also here in the studio. Lets get to it.
Hi everyone I'm here with Billie Beckett, Matt Collins, Robert Edwards, and Vin Peters. You know them as Reported Failure. Avil Hartman is with us to. Good day everybody. Lets start with this: each of you go around and just in a few sentences say what you most want to say to the fans about the new album. BB: Ok. Well I'm the frontman so I'll go first.
MC: putting us in our rightful place haha
RE: chuckleBB: Yeah. This album really deals with a lot of unhappiness and unsettling material, and making it was a way to send those things away, to kind of clear my life of a lot of shit by writing songs about it. So I really hope that when you listen to it you first enjoy it and that you can connect with it to and come out to shows and connect with it there. Thats really all I can ask for. I'm really proud of the way we sound on this album too and I hope people appreciate the choices we made.
MC: I would like to say that I think this album rocks harder than anything else anyone has released since the days of bands like The Nimrods or Blood of Wecz easily. Hell, charts react as they may, this is going to be remembered in the rock world mark my words: its going to be legendary.
VP: I personally really liked making this one because I got to play a lot more guitar solos than for our last album. We all know deep down I wish we could be a full fledged guitar glam band every night but we dont want to be a cliche. But I think we all really stepped our musicianship up to the next level on Lie In. Playing these live is going to be awesome.
RE: Yeah to reiterate what Vin said, the way we are playing our instruments is so different on this album. I think the beats and riffs really pushed the songwriting and melodies rather than the other way around. Its like the way we think about making a song kind of was reconstructed. The way we play our instruments even became more dynamic and focused. There are some moments on this album where I hear it and just think "holy shit I'm actually in this band"
AH: As a producer I've been working with this band for many years, and I just think that on this album they chose to take a lot of different chances. Like mixing in four guitar sequences and a synth in to different parts or turning up bass more than any other rock band has been doing or the way we used lo-fi at different times, and how we just found the perfect way to make the guitars sing. We just focused on production and perfecting every little nuance.
You really said a lot there Mr. Collins. We are going to touch on a lot of what you said but first Billie Beckett did you think you were really going to leave the band last year when you posted on your blog a bit of a rant about how we are slaves to consumerism and about discrimination, and you said you were going to live a minimal life. Then you came back. Where are you in your journey? Do you stand by what you said last year?BB: You're going straight for hardball, huh? Ok. Well yeah I do stand by what I said. I still think that a lot of problems in the world today are caused by vanity and discrimination and materialism. I've tried to change my life to be a better person so if thats what you mean by my journey then sure I'm still on it.
So you dont regret making the blog post? You came under a lot of flack for that.BB: I didn't say that. In fact I do regret that particular blog post but not because I have changed. To be honest I was very emotional when I wrote that and I think my prose wasn't very good. Ha.
Did you plan on coming back to the band?BB: I never really planned any of it. The point was to live completely off the grid and in the moment. I didn't really know what I was going to do day to day so I just didn't think about Reported Failure much because thats just not where my life was. I'm glad I did though.
Interesting. I think we will probably touch on this more later in the interview, but lets talk about this album. Where did you record this?VP: So I used to own this place called Pacific Noise Studios in Santa Cruz but business wasn't so great so we actually tore all the equipment out and converted this old house in rural California in to a studio using that equipment. So thats where we recorded all of this album, out in the redwoods with just the five of us and some family and friends who popped in once in awhile.
Do you think that environment contributed to how this album sounds?MC: I think staying in the same house where we were recording instead of living in a hotel and going to the studio during the day really let us sink in to the music like we haven't before.
BB: Yeah totally. We had a schedule each day of what we wanted to work on but we weren't limited by anything. So many nights Vin and I just played guitar for hours until 3 am sometimes just working on how we sounded together. We couldn't do that at a regular recording studio.
After you released Rome, the rock world basically said it was your masterpiece, so how did you go about following that album? Did you feel a lot of pressure to have another huge success? VP: One of the first things we said was that we were going to make an album that wasn't like anything else we have done. We weren't going to worry about it sounding like Rome. We just wanted to go in to that house and see what we could make.
RE: Yeah I agree with that. I think we knew it would be a heavier album going in to the recording process. We had written and recorded demos for Take Arms Against a Sea of Troubles, Old Man in the Sea, and King of the Jungle already so we knew it was going to have a harsher sound than most of our previous stuff.
BB: Yeah and another thing that ended up happening with the songwriting is there aren't that many choruses on this album. Its a lot more focused on the instruments and then I mostly deliver these verses. Like Tired Lover, that song Vin' riff is the chorus, on Take Arms the big power chords are like the chorus, American Scheme is all about how the melody grows, Downpour and Not the End don't have choruses. I think that's really because of what Robert was saying earlier about how we changed how we wrote these songs.
Great insights. I noticed the lack of choruses on a lot of the songs too. Do you think that will make this album less accessible to your fans especially the ones who really grew to love you because of your big choruses on hits like "Manufactured Radio" "Crumbling" or "Days Spent in the Dark"? VP: I guess it could, sure. We ave written a lot of songs with big choruses in our career. We wanted to try something new. And we definitely started to do this on Rome with songs like "Land and Sea" and "Frosted Peaks" but this album takes it to the next level.
AH: As a producer I noticed this and we talked about how it would affect the album's reception with the lack of catchy choruses being the norm on this album, but they really wanted to try something new.
MC: Plus we don't give a shit. We're trying to push the boundaries of what a major rock album is supposed to sound like. Take it or leave it.
There are a lot of references to water on this album. In fact you have a lot of references to the sea in your lyrics. Could you explain what all these lyrics mean to you?BB: There's an intensity in the ocean that I've always been drawn to. The first song on this album is all about how the natural world and water in particular has more force than the force I believe we as people can muster. Its about how against the sea, we are faced with our own mortality. But broader than that I've always had a fixation on the sea since I was a kid and the juxtaposition of solid ground and fluid water is what the song "Land and Sea" is all about. The ocean is often a source of inspiration for me when I write songs.
Yeah I think thats definitely evident in the themes of this record. I want to talk about one of the burning questions which is the lion on the artwork and the song "Lie In" but I'll start just by asking you to explain the title. BB: Yeah that song is really all about ambiguities which is another big topic of the album. Its says "Lie In" but there is a picture of a lion which actually when said aloud sounds the same. So there are layers. It isn't as it initially appears.
MC: Totally. What he said. Haha. Also the actual title is really an invitation to the listener to just lie down and really become one with the music not just lying down and listening but literally lying in the music as if the listener is one with the music.
So what is the lion all about?MC: Its about being free and not giving a fuck haha
RE: I think its really about the feeling of this album which is so vicious and animalistic. For me there is nothing rational about this album its just all about playing as loud as we could turning up the amps and beating the shit out of the drums
AH: With what Robert said, we left most of the production kind of messy because we wanted it to sound wild and untamed
BB: Yeah those are all totally part of it. I intended the lion to represent a way of living that is more wild and rugged and fierce than the kind of life that I think we are usually told is the right kind. Part of it is really about free love and that 1960s dream of rock and roll and the hippy culture and growing out your hair and trying not to be part of the corporate machine. I think the lion works as a great symbol for that.
The artwork is almost psychedelic it is so colorful. A couple songs particularly the title track have a bit of a psychedelic vibe too. Is that a sound you are trying to incorporate more in your music? VP: I personally love a good trip in a song. Ya know when a song just feels other worldly like its a gateway to a different reality. Its definitely a sound we intentionally strived for on the title track and we have been working on making our live show so that is really turns people on and gets them out of their minds.
BB: We've been talking about how "everything is not as it seems" is another big theme of the album, and I think the psychedelic vibes are really part of that. Its supposed to be wild and out there and make people question a lot of the ways the world is.
You talk about growing older in "Tired Lover." You're all already 30 or about to start that fourth decade of life, so do you think your age is an asset or deficit for you as a rock band? VP: That's a tough one haha. I guess I think its bad because there will always be a younger band to make us seem like old news and it takes extra effort to stay relevant, but its also good. I like growing older and I think we just keep pushing ourselves and gaining more experience.
MC: I still rock out like I'm 19 ya know. As long as I get that buzz I'm set. If the haters think we are too old fuck em.
BB: Haha yeah I think we have to worry about our health more than all the 20 year olds we see on tour. We have to treat our bodies well to get through twenty five song sets. But we are getting to the point where we have been doing this for a long time so we have so much experience which definitely is reflected in our live show.
RE: I think as we move forward as a band we are going to have to really think about how to not be a throwback. We want to get new fans each time we make an album and not just keep putting out music for the nostalgia of our longtime fans. But we also want to stay true to our sound and not make a bunch of arena punk albums with calculated hits. I think that gets harder the longer you've been a band especially because we have to try hard to make sure our new material isn't just another reiteration of the same stuff we were doing five years ago.
Watching the progression of RF from a pop-punk band in to what you are now which is quite often a band in a league of its own has been fascinating. I noticed on this album that your moving forward as a band was actually a lot of moving backwards. What kinds of bands did you draw inspiration from for this album? It seems to me that its a lot more 90's and 70's influences than more modern rock. Is that what you intended?VP: Yea we definitely went back to the oldies not that we haven't done that before but we didn't listen to more contemporary bands like PANIC! or Infinite or even our peers like Riot! or Suburban Sunrise who we have been influenced by in the past. I definitely listened to guitarists like Slash, Eric Clapton, and Jimmy Page and mixed those sounds with the hardcore punk sound I have always had going on as a guitarist.
BB: Yeah we really recorded a lot of these in a musical vaccum without today's influences. I think we all grew to love groups like Led Zeppelin and Cream and Nirvana and Pearl Jam throughout our lives and together as a group over the past year. That totally influenced our sound.
I definitely hear Led Zeppelin on songs where you let a couple of instruments lead and then all of the sudden break in to a guitar jam. "Take Arms Against a Sea of Troubles" has a very vintage tone to it. The guitar is kind of punk but Billie you sound a lot like Robert Plant in that song. Are you trying to bring back some of that seventies style hard rock?MC: I think its really always been part of us, but this album we let it be front and center in our sound instead of trying to be a pop-punk band.
BB: Yeah I absolutely agree with what Matt said, but I definitely intentionally channeled some classic sounds and ideas from groups like Zeppelin and even singer songwriters like Jackson Browne and Bob Dylan who were a big influence on my lyrics. We wanted to make an album that sounded vintage as you said.
AH: I agree we all listened to that stuff when thinking about this album, but I think a lot of songs are really trailblazing where hard rock is going. Listening to songs like American Scheme, Lie In, Red Dream, and Not The End, I just think 'wow I've never heard a song quite like this.'
From what I can tell, the song "King of the Jungle" is really important to what you're trying to say with this album. Could you explain what that song means to you and how you wrote it?BB: Sure. On that song I think we wanted to be really wild and chaotic. Its a song that is against order but also about a higher power, God. So its about the collapse of man-made order in the face of God if that makes sense. And we wanted to make that sound really chaotic and scary.
MC: I really love that song. Its so fast and we just blasted the bass on it. In some ways its the rawest song on this album because it really comes out of nowhere and when Billie starts roaring like he is the lion I just lose my shit every time I hear it. In the studio when we heard him record that part we all just looked at each other like "fucking shit. That was insane"
VP: It was one of the last songs that we wrote and recorded after we really knew what kind of album we wanted to make. Billie and I kind of pulled some lyrics we had together and we both wrote it in the studio.
I think that it is one of the songs where Billie, you sound a hell of a lot like Kurt Cobain just yelling at the microphone. Was that intentional?BB: I love Nirvana and I've listened to them since I was a kid, so that influence has always been part of me. I think this album is just genuinely more angry than most of our other albums. So that anger resulted in a lot of yelling, but I didn't go in to the studio thinking 'ok I want to yell just like Kurt does on "Scentless Apprentice"' or something like that, but you're right it has a Nirvana vibe. I definitely hear it.
What are your favorite Nirvana songs?BB: oh shit thats a tough one. Ummmm first ones that come to mind are Rape Me, Pennyroyal Tea, Lithium, and Come as You Are... But there are so many
MC: I'll be the basic bitch and say Smells Like Teen Spirit. Haha
VP: Damnit Matt, you're hurting our street cred. I've always loved You Know You're Right
BB: Oh crap... That one too
You've covered Fleetwood Mac and The Beatles and Soundgarden. Would you ever cover Nirvana? I think people might love that.VP: Maybe. We like to do covers, but we would have to find the right song. One we wont totally fuck up
RE: We did the Beatles and people seemed to like it... I think we could try a Nirvana song.
Lets move right along and talk about the next song "Red Dream" The lyrics in the chorus are "Come tie-dye me (I need you)/Come feed me your ink (and lie in me)/Come bleed on me I need to sink/Much deeper in to this red sleep" could you explain what these mean?MC: I think its about becoming one with each other thats as a band and an audience. I do the backing vocals and I whisper "and lie in me" which references the title and as I said the title is about becoming one with the piece of music. So its about a transmission of feeling that happens at a concert.
BB: Matt is totally on point. We wrote this while really being on the high of our Rome World Tour last year and how a show can seem like a dream. I chose to describe it with the color red because I think red is a very expressive and symbolic color that says a lot about what punk rock is. And as the singer when I sing and hear thousands of people sing my lyrics back so me its amazing. So when I sing "feed me your ink" its about how I love to feel the emotion of the crowd being thrown at me and then how it lets me sink further in to this glorious dream.
Great, awesome insight. Its a really catchy song and the production is quite dense you've got huge bass and so many guitars. Was it challenging to record this song?VP: There's a lot of dynamics in this one and it did take a good chunk of time. I think its one of my favorite songs to play just because of all the pedals I get to use and different ways I get to play my guitar in one song.
AH: Getting the master cut for this song was a challenge because there is so much going on, but we managed to get Billie's vocals to really shine and let a lot of the guitars sing. Parts are a bit muddy. A lot of this album had very minimal mixing and tweaking in post-production, but this song has a lot of tricks to make it sound as clear as it does.
It sounds like this is one of the songs you're most proud of. Will we see it as the next single?RE: I dont think we've decided
BB: Yeah maybe, but we really dont know. We are talking with Studio 60 about what to do for the next single from this record.
Great. Well we are halfway there. We are going to take a break now but be sure to check back in later and we will talk more about the second half of "Lie In" and the future of Reported Failure.Edited by user 06 May 2015 08:13:16(UTC)
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