The Nimrods wrote:sav wrote:Gildermershina wrote:scarsymmetry wrote:Not really bands, but all rappers stink.
I'd love to hear them play REAL MUSIC!
I hate that argument.
I agree on that. "OMGZ LIKE ELECTRONIC MUSICIANS DON'T PLAY REAL INSTRUMENTS LOLZ". Bullshit. Nobody's in position to say who is an artist and who's not.
Exactly, though good rappers are more like poets. Hitting a pencil on a desk is music so who says someone programming a beat isn't a musician.
I am in the general camp that says music is simply an arrangement of sounds. Noise can be music. One thing I really love these days is gentle crackle and static over a droning sound. There's a tendency these days for people to learn to play music in the classic rock mode, learning widdly super-fast arpeggio-oriented guitar parts, and then you tell these people to slow the tempo down and they just can't keep the beat anymore. It's crazy how narrow many people's definitions are for so-called "REAL MUSIC".
As for computers in music, if you're MIDI programming as opposed to playing a part, so what? Music shouldn't always (or perhaps ever) be about the spectacle of ego. And these days almost all music has computers involved at some point in the production. Records are recorded on computers, with plugins, all the mistakes are edited out, the good parts are comped together to make it seem seamless when in fact it's a total fabrication, auto-tune vocals are EVERYWHERE, crazy computer effects chains, programmed drums and keyboard parts... These days with POD and Guitar Rig and the like, many guitarists are even recording without amps.
Computers can be used to create incredible music that simply would not be possible otherwise. You find me a single world class guitarist who could program a beat like Aphex Twin, or even your average rap producer. The production of awful mainstream dance music takes incredible skill and patience, and yes, talent, and the people making it are the ones producing it, not lazy stoned tattooed twats who turn up and slog their way through four takes before the engineers spend six hours trying to cobble together a coherent performance.
So yeah, there's good and bad, with or without computers.