Please don't ban me but isn't that a little harsh like seriously.

Well, I dont know about 'too neatly' but they came down easily because you have a several hundred tonne aircraft (passengers, baggage, fuel) slamming at high speeds into the buildings, you have the resulting vibrations that can weaken the main structural points through out the building, you have aviation fuel which is extremely flammable and burns like a motherfucker ( i dont know what sort of firewalls the buildings would have but under these circumstances the catastrophic nature of the incident probably would have rendered them useless and radiant heat would have been able to spread further) then you have the weight of the top section of the building collapsing onto the already ruined bottom half of the building. Your talking about hundreds of tonnes of concrete and steel collapsing on top of the other sections of buildings. To me that seems a pretty reasonable explanation as to why they came down as they did. I am no civil engineer but common sense can tell you these things.

I am definately no fan of conspiracy theories...they are just mere theories that cant be proved, they always crop up after major incidents like this.

very simple post: 1. conspiracy 2. still don't care to this day(yes I'm an asshole) 3. AYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What if the explosives were built into the twin towers themselves? What if it wasn't exactly the U.S. who wanted to bring them down? FYI The U.S. WOULD cause that tremendous loss of life to engage war. WAR=MONEY/MONEY=WAR MONEY(somewhat)=EVIL/EVIL=WAR Look at fidel castro, hitler, mussolini, NIMROD!!(the person) They all caused that to get something, power. Our government has always wanted power, if they wanted, they'd lead all of the country to the slaughter if total world conquest was possible. Gladly, it isn't, at least not for awhile.

Those are my thoughts, disregard as you feel you must.

yes I do.

Why, thank you, your great Modship...

HES NOT?!!!
WHY?!!!
TELL MEH!!!!
OMGAWSH!! NOWAY!!
IMPOSSIBLE!!
HE'S LIKE... THE COOLEST ON THE MEASURE OF BIKZNESS HERE!!

That one is a mystery, but as a former architecture student, I understand how structure works and the majority of the conspiracy nuts focus on ideas like "the fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel" ignoring the obvious fact that steel weakens and bends when hot, well below melting point, or eye witness accounts that people saw explosions in other places, as if the eye witness accounts of such an event could ever be impartial and untainted by emotion, trauma, the reality of the situation.

There is no way the American government, as shady as it is, would ever commit such an act, although it is true that they milked it for all it was worth. Invasions, securing oil and resources, overseas rebuilding contracts, private military opportunities. Perhaps if people shut up about "if you watch the footage in slow motion you can clearly see George W. Bush's face in the smoke!" then maybe they'd spend some time objecting to the ongoing war profiteering efforts.

Uh, I know that. If you didn't notice, I also alluded to Idi Amin in Uganda in the same sentence, and that was the seventies.

And also, while we're on the topic, Russia stopped being Stalinist when Stalin died in the '50s. His eventual successor, Krushchev (some came before, but they are blips on the radar) reversed MANY of Stalin's programs and policies.

So, what now?

I also fail to recognize how some of the recent posts (that are on topic) represent "the nuts". As far as I'm concerned, Gildy, Rincewind, myself, and others have replied with better content and quality than you, my friend.

Really. Seriously. The nuts. You don't know what that refers to? Which ever bozo it was who started throwing in conspiracy theorist drivel, that's who the nuts are. Because they are insane. Doesn't mean they can't put forward eloquent arguments or anything. I was not labelling Rincewind or Gildermershia as such nuts because they didn't make nutty contributions. I don't think you did either actually. There's a difference between a crazy post and a shit post, which is what you can argue mine was.

And OK, if you really want to argue semantics, yes THE SOVIET UNION (Russia only being one part of that, since we're debating semantics) stopped adhering to the cult of personality built up around Stalin after Kruschev came to power and his famous speech to the CPSU Party Conference, so I was incorrect in my assertion that Russia was a Stalinist until the Soviet Union finally fell. It was me using it as a catch-all term because I didn't really want to use either socialism or communism for varying reason. I should have fallen back to the classic Marxist-Leninism.

I should also point out that I've gone back and read your original post. I don't even know why I got so enraged, I can't see anything particularly wrong with it. So actually when I said my post was arguably shit, I think it's fair to say it's without any doubt shit in that light. Hmmmm. Wonder what crawled up my arsehole that day.

As for point about what I could contribute to the thread, I do think I added something waaaay back in the last post of Page 2. The problem is that I don't have much to say on the 11/9 thing really. It was massively shocking, hugely tragic and very sad. It further reinforced my loathing of religion. But as far as the topic goes, which was originally "What do you think we should do?" I really don't care. I mean I just think there's much bigger things to be concerned with. Like the the things that caused the 11/9 attacks to occur in the first place. Like the rather shambolic and clumsily dealt with aftermath. I can talk about those. I just can't talk about "should people still be mourning about it", because that's an entirely personal decision. I personally didn't mourn when that attack happened, nor the Bali bombing, the London bombings or any other terror attacks, I felt shocked and surprised, tried to empathised with others pain but I certainly didn't mourn. But I'd not deny that to other people if they felt they needed to still mourn. I'd only ask them not to allow their grief to get caught up in cheap jingoism.