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Offline Gildermershina  
#181 Posted : 07 November 2009 08:05:49(UTC)
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Now onto Gay people. I am gay. If God loves everyone he does loves gay, but does it give me the right to “be” homosexual. I don’t know, I’m still confused about it. Rules are rules and if I have to follow them to be safe (go to heaven) then eventually I will have to give up that and leave it. Which is sad, I love being gay.


See that point right there is why it is just insane for me to actually consider the possibility that God is a decent guy. If you want to get into heaven you have to give up a part of your lifestyle that makes you happy. Not only is that insane to say "God loves me, but he hates gays, so he will eternally damn me if I don't become a licensed hetero," but more and more research is starting to find that homosexuality is probably a genetic/chromosomal trait and not a choice (it has been witnessed in animals). So God loves you, hates homosexuals and will eternally damn you to Hell, and then has you born gay. Where is the nice guy in all of that because I see a hypocritical bigot.

Bunch of bullcrap dude, ya'know the (real)gay penguins? one of em left the other for a female. God doesn't hate homosexuals, he hates homosexuality. It's against what he wanted for mankind, but mankind, being the real assholes of nature, defied him. Nobody's born gay, they just wake up one morning, believe they're gay, and convince themselves they were always like this. God isn't hypocritical, and for one why bother calling him a bigot? Human ideology doesn't apply to him. He's GOD. The most simple lesson in the Bible is that GOD IS GOD, that mean he's the God of everything,anything,nothing, and so forth. He makes the rules, but he never breaks them. You'd just like to believe that wouldn't you?


Boy you folk really do find it hard to believe that homosexuality is not a sickness or a delusion you can be cured of. Why would anyone just "decide" to be gay and face all the social difficulties and prejudices associated with it? Because they hate God?

And OF COURSE God's hypocritical. The very meaning of hypocrisy is saying one thing but doing another. God breaks his commandments repeatedly in the OT, and contradicts himself on a continuous basis throughout the entire Bible. One minute it's you MUST stone your children to death for speaking out against you, the next it's forgive your children, they do not know that they have sinned. There is no way to reconcile everything in the Bible into one solid definition which exactly why you have Jews and Catholics, and Orthodox, and Anglicans, and Protestants, and Episcopalians, and Mormans, and even Muslims... How do you know whatever assemblage of laws and beliefs that you have gained in your very short time on this Earth is the correct combination, and that all the other ones, practised by millions, and in some cases billions, of people worldwide are entirely wrong? Isn't that a little fucking arrogant?
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#182 Posted : 07 November 2009 08:59:50(UTC)
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None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.

On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S
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#183 Posted : 07 November 2009 09:23:12(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.


Like I said before, taking the bible literally is more of a fundamentalist thing, and as far as I know most mailine Protestant denominations take a lot of the Old Testament stories with a grain of salt. The same goes for Catholicism.

Aj wrote:
On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S


It's all because the bible can be interpreted in a rather large number of ways, obviously. That's also why various denominations think differently on abortion, homosexuals, eschatology etc. etc.
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#184 Posted : 07 November 2009 09:35:21(UTC)
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Thorgrim wrote:
Aj wrote:
None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.


Like I said before, taking the bible literally is more of a fundamentalist thing, and as far as I know most mailine Protestant denominations take a lot of the Old Testament stories with a grain of salt. The same goes for Catholicism.

Aj wrote:
On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S


It's all because the bible can be interpreted in a rather large number of ways, obviously. That's also why various denominations think differently on abortion, homosexuals, eschatology etc. etc.


Which is why I don't like it. It's not clear enough, which is why you get these heated debates between people believing different things even though there from the same religion, which shouldn't happen. It should either state this is EXACTLY what happens, what you should and shouldn't do, or it should just be a free religion and actually stated in it that it's open to interpretation, which is why I stick to my religion.
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#185 Posted : 07 November 2009 14:58:00(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
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Now onto Gay people. I am gay. If God loves everyone he does loves gay, but does it give me the right to “be” homosexual. I don’t know, I’m still confused about it. Rules are rules and if I have to follow them to be safe (go to heaven) then eventually I will have to give up that and leave it. Which is sad, I love being gay.


See that point right there is why it is just insane for me to actually consider the possibility that God is a decent guy. If you want to get into heaven you have to give up a part of your lifestyle that makes you happy. Not only is that insane to say "God loves me, but he hates gays, so he will eternally damn me if I don't become a licensed hetero," but more and more research is starting to find that homosexuality is probably a genetic/chromosomal trait and not a choice (it has been witnessed in animals). So God loves you, hates homosexuals and will eternally damn you to Hell, and then has you born gay. Where is the nice guy in all of that because I see a hypocritical bigot.

Bunch of bullcrap dude, ya'know the (real)gay penguins? one of em left the other for a female. God doesn't hate homosexuals, he hates homosexuality. It's against what he wanted for mankind, but mankind, being the real assholes of nature, defied him. Nobody's born gay, they just wake up one morning, believe they're gay, and convince themselves they were always like this. God isn't hypocritical, and for one why bother calling him a bigot? Human ideology doesn't apply to him. He's GOD. The most simple lesson in the Bible is that GOD IS GOD, that mean he's the God of everything,anything,nothing, and so forth. He makes the rules, but he never breaks them. You'd just like to believe that wouldn't you?


Boy you folk really do find it hard to believe that homosexuality is not a sickness or a delusion you can be cured of. Why would anyone just "decide" to be gay and face all the social difficulties and prejudices associated with it? Because they hate God?

And OF COURSE God's hypocritical. The very meaning of hypocrisy is saying one thing but doing another. God breaks his commandments repeatedly in the OT, and contradicts himself on a continuous basis throughout the entire Bible. One minute it's you MUST stone your children to death for speaking out against you, the next it's forgive your children, they do not know that they have sinned. There is no way to reconcile everything in the Bible into one solid definition which exactly why you have Jews and Catholics, and Orthodox, and Anglicans, and Protestants, and Episcopalians, and Mormans, and even Muslims... How do you know whatever assemblage of laws and beliefs that you have gained in your very short time on this Earth is the correct combination, and that all the other ones, practised by millions, and in some cases billions, of people worldwide are entirely wrong? Isn't that a little fucking arrogant?

1. God made the ten commandments FOR MAN. He never had to follow those, he's God.(repeating myself)2. I never said we weren't wrong, I just stated what I believe is right. Whether or not I am right in the end, doesn't matter because in the end, what do I lose?
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#186 Posted : 07 November 2009 15:00:32(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
Aj wrote:
None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.


Like I said before, taking the bible literally is more of a fundamentalist thing, and as far as I know most mailine Protestant denominations take a lot of the Old Testament stories with a grain of salt. The same goes for Catholicism.

Aj wrote:
On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S


It's all because the bible can be interpreted in a rather large number of ways, obviously. That's also why various denominations think differently on abortion, homosexuals, eschatology etc. etc.


Which is why I don't like it. It's not clear enough, which is why you get these heated debates between people believing different things even though there from the same religion, which shouldn't happen. It should either state this is EXACTLY what happens, what you should and shouldn't do, or it should just be a free religion and actually stated in it that it's open to interpretation, which is why I stick to my religion.

Fine, stick with your religions, the point remains that the Bible itself only has one message, but most hypocrites who dumfuckingly label themselves christian be assholes and make up their own translation to justify their actions. Then they televise, commercialise, and otherwise spread their doctrine to other people who want to justify their sins.
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#187 Posted : 07 November 2009 22:57:54(UTC)
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So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?
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#188 Posted : 07 November 2009 23:27:48(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Aj wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
Aj wrote:
None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.


Like I said before, taking the bible literally is more of a fundamentalist thing, and as far as I know most mailine Protestant denominations take a lot of the Old Testament stories with a grain of salt. The same goes for Catholicism.

Aj wrote:
On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S


It's all because the bible can be interpreted in a rather large number of ways, obviously. That's also why various denominations think differently on abortion, homosexuals, eschatology etc. etc.


Which is why I don't like it. It's not clear enough, which is why you get these heated debates between people believing different things even though there from the same religion, which shouldn't happen. It should either state this is EXACTLY what happens, what you should and shouldn't do, or it should just be a free religion and actually stated in it that it's open to interpretation, which is why I stick to my religion.

Fine, stick with your religions, the point remains that the Bible itself only has one message, but most hypocrites who dumfuckingly label themselves christian be assholes and make up their own translation to justify their actions. Then they televise, commercialise, and otherwise spread their doctrine to other people who want to justify their sins.


Right, so your interpretation is the only true one? Going against the many millions of gay Christians in the world?
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#189 Posted : 08 November 2009 00:17:03(UTC)
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Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...
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#190 Posted : 08 November 2009 02:09:17(UTC)
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Nobody's born gay, they just wake up one morning, believe they're gay, and convince themselves they were always like this.


Awhh, bless you. :)
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#191 Posted : 08 November 2009 09:12:46(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
Nobody's born gay, they just wake up one morning, believe they're gay, and convince themselves they were always like this.


Awhh, bless you. :)

sarcasm or genuine agreement?....
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#192 Posted : 08 November 2009 09:13:49(UTC)
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Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...

people say 2012, on (coincidentally) my birthday. Frikkin mayans, thanks for ruining the surprise.
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#193 Posted : 08 November 2009 09:17:22(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Aj wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
Aj wrote:
None of the Christians here have answered why God kills so many, all you've been yabbering on about is experiencing god and that shit and then just saying 'because he's god', which isn't a valid answer. Like Gildermershina said, if he is real he is the worst hypocrite of all.


Like I said before, taking the bible literally is more of a fundamentalist thing, and as far as I know most mailine Protestant denominations take a lot of the Old Testament stories with a grain of salt. The same goes for Catholicism.

Aj wrote:
On top of that, with the old Homosexual thing, how comes certain people in Christianity are gay and some hate gays? Surely that means that Christianity is just all jumbled up and confused. So why do you call yourself a Christian if some Christians would happily kill you? How come there are black Christians but some who are racists? There's a flaw in the religion, God tells you that basically he is the be all and end all of everything. You have to worship him and you can't speak against him, yet how come there are so many different interpretations even in the same religion.

And following on from that, how do you know your right? Maybe God does hate gays. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's a mass murderer. Maybe he had his reasons. There are so many different opinions, surely the bible is obsolete because it tells you to follow it exactly, yet people take different things from it.

I don't think that made much sense :S


It's all because the bible can be interpreted in a rather large number of ways, obviously. That's also why various denominations think differently on abortion, homosexuals, eschatology etc. etc.


Which is why I don't like it. It's not clear enough, which is why you get these heated debates between people believing different things even though there from the same religion, which shouldn't happen. It should either state this is EXACTLY what happens, what you should and shouldn't do, or it should just be a free religion and actually stated in it that it's open to interpretation, which is why I stick to my religion.

Fine, stick with your religions, the point remains that the Bible itself only has one message, but most hypocrites who dumfuckingly label themselves christian be assholes and make up their own translation to justify their actions. Then they televise, commercialise, and otherwise spread their doctrine to other people who want to justify their sins.


Right, so your interpretation is the only true one? Going against the many millions of gay Christians in the world?

I never fucking said that, if you the millions of so-called gay Christians read the bible for themselves and actually gave a fuck about what it had to say, then they would either stop being gay or stop being Christians.
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#194 Posted : 08 November 2009 09:18:09(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...

people say 2012, on (coincidentally) my birthday. Frikkin mayans, thanks for ruining the surprise.


Doomsday theories huh? Takes a retard to believe them :')

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old.gregg wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...

people say 2012, on (coincidentally) my birthday. Frikkin mayans, thanks for ruining the surprise.


Doomsday theories huh? Takes a retard to believe them :')

Well duh, it takes a bigger retard to make a movie out of it.
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sharinganerror wrote:
old.gregg wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...

people say 2012, on (coincidentally) my birthday. Frikkin mayans, thanks for ruining the surprise.


Doomsday theories huh? Takes a retard to believe them :')

Well duh, it takes a bigger retard to make a movie out of it.


Next thing they'll be on about is judgement day! They do go on..
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#197 Posted : 08 November 2009 09:28:29(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
Nobody's born gay, they just wake up one morning, believe they're gay, and convince themselves they were always like this.


Awhh, bless you. :)

sarcasm or genuine agreement?....


Sarcastic pity, I think.
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#198 Posted : 08 November 2009 10:09:40(UTC)
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sharinganerror wrote:
old.gregg wrote:
sharinganerror wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Thorgrim wrote:
So any1 of u guyz now when teh Rapture is due?

There was one due a couple of weeks ago, it was a Wednesday. Haven't heard of anything else since that one failed though. Odd that...

people say 2012, on (coincidentally) my birthday. Frikkin mayans, thanks for ruining the surprise.


Doomsday theories huh? Takes a retard to believe them :')

Well duh, it takes a bigger retard to make a movie out of it.

No, it takes someone with an eye for profit. Because there are plenty of imbeciles out there who actually believes that the Mayan calender coming to an end also equates to the end of the world, and there are plenty of people who like disaster movies.
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I tried to convince myself I was gay this morning. It didn't work.

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I know, to show my hatred to God, here I am murdering away, having gay sex, coveting the possessions (ie. women and working-animals) of all my neighbours, disrespecting my parents... But the guy doesn't even notice dammit. I was trying to kidnap a little blind girl the other day but she ran out across the street just before I was about to grab her, and got run over by the CEO of an American arms manufacturer here on holiday... So instead I quickly dropped to my knees and started alternately worshipping the nearest waste receptacle standing is as an idol for Oscar the Grouch, and the nearest dog turd which I quickly molded into a big golden bull to present as a God as a gift and of course use as a vessel through which my praise might be offered, and of course the prayer was fully of naughty words, and I was actually masturbating with one hand at the same time.

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