okay, you guys try writing something that will give you even a millionth of a percent of what he makes.

He's a musical genius. Maybe he's doesn't write the songs you like, but he writes the songs most people like, which gives him more money, thus making him a genius.

The songs "most" people like are simple pop songs, it's not like he is writing a Mozart symphony here. Looking at the credits for his second solo album also shows something like 4 songs that he only co-wrote, so clearly his genius is not as great as you claim since he can't even write 2 complete albums by himself. Also NBA and NFL athletes play the sports most people like, which gives them more money, so by your logic the players of the NFL and NBA are geniuses?[/quote]

yes, because they worked, maybe not hard, but they worked to get the job instead of anybody here. And still, even if he didn't write most of the music, who cares? I mean, most pop stars don't even hold a pen and nobody gives a shit. They just like the music they are apart of. And simple pop songs make more money than if you are to break your head open a million times to think if this should be in C major or C minor. So still, even if you consider him not to be a musical genius, he still is a genius for being able to be lucrative in the music business. Besides, some of your favorite musical genres can be considered shitty, ear-bleeding, guitar chord progressions and a singer who probably can't find his dick from all the leather on him (talking about metal cuz I notice most of you hear are metal fans).

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Being successful does not mean you are a genius. I never said pop stars write their songs but you were labeling him as this fantastic genius songwriter, I was merely pointing out that he doesn't do it all by himself, I am sure the other guys in Matchbox Twenty helped on those albums too. Is he successful? Yes, very much so. Does his success make him a genius? No, it doesn't. Here is how much thinking it takes me to get into the music industry; Ok, I will play some live shows and find some showcases where label guys are, maybe release something independently. Once I get discovered I will just use my talent and let someone else write my music, making sure to use a ton of auto-tune or whatever the flavor of the week is. Watch the money come in. It doesn't take a degree from Oxford to figure that one out.

I agree with the part that he's not necessarily the greatest songwriter. But, he is a genius for having the labels choose him over a jillion other artists dying to be signed by anybody. And he's also a genius for having a great appeal to the audience. Who knows, maybe he's really mean in real life, but on stage and in interviews, he is very appealing to the public, and he's a bit funny live. So he's still a genius for being able to have had all of this success pay off.

Yeah, but what's so noteworthy about Rob Thomas' music, success aside? Compared to other singer-songwriter types, say Vic Chesnutt, Mr. Thomas strikes me as having all the distinctive flavour of a dry stick of spaghetti.