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Offline The Nimrods  
#1 Posted : 14 December 2009 05:12:10(UTC)
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how do you write a song?For some people it's different every time, but for me it's pretty simply structured.I can play the guitar,the bass, the drums, the cello, the trumpet, and the piano, though trumpet I haven't played in a bit. But since I write metal I only need a guitar, bass, and drums.I don't have drums though. Anyway, I'll usually sit down and I'll think something along the lines of "I wanna write something that sounds kinda like Sepultura meets Satyricon" or something like that. Then I'll turn on some music from one or both bands sometimes it's jsut one band I'm influenced by. Then other times I just come up with something cool. after listening for a bit I can picture some riffs in my head and write and transcribe the basic rhythm guitar. After that I'll use my computer and make a basic drum beat. Then I'll ad a solo over it or wait until later to do that, after that it's pretty much just writing lyrics which always just go to the flow of the song (ie if the song is aggressive then the lyrics will be too) after this the songs pretty much done and I show it at band practice, most of the time I spend a week working on a song. Maybe more, I like taking my time to add to or enhance a song.
The Nimrods (Progressive Death Metal,Progressive Metal,Progressive Rock.Think Opeth/Dream Theater/Tool/Pink Floyd)
Jimmy Him- Lead Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Davey Matlock- Bass,Guitars,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Kit Saunders- Drums,additional percussion
Jaska Latvala- Rhythm Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Jack Burton- Keyboards,Keytar

Satyr in the Frost(Melodic Black Metal,think Satyricon/Mayhem/Early Dimmu Borgir/Immortal)
Sigmund-Vocals and Rhythm guitar
Celt-Drums
Saxon-Lead Guitar
Sauron-Keyboard
Gris-Bass
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I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
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Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


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Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline tension101  
#2 Posted : 14 December 2009 05:49:24(UTC)
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All my songs follow a story of a man and a woman who are in love with eachother, but then the man (who I've dubbed Jordan) figures out that the girl (Emily) is cheating on him. This makes Jordan go crazy, and he kills Emily, but after a while regrets that he did it, and confesses to the crime by going to the funeral and totally making a scene.

Those are the bases my lyrics, pretty much. Since I'm currently not in a band, I don't know how the music would get written.

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#3 Posted : 14 December 2009 05:53:58(UTC)
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tension101 wrote:
All my songs follow a story of a man and a woman who are in love with eachother, but then the man (who I've dubbed Jordan) figures out that the girl (Emily) is cheating on him. This makes Jordan go crazy, and he kills Emily, but after a while regrets that he did it, and confesses to the crime by going to the funeral and totally making a scene.

Those are the bases my lyrics, pretty much. Since I'm currently not in a band, I don't know how the music would get written.



don't you play bass? you could always get a midi keyboard and make music or put it on guitar pro.
The Nimrods (Progressive Death Metal,Progressive Metal,Progressive Rock.Think Opeth/Dream Theater/Tool/Pink Floyd)
Jimmy Him- Lead Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Davey Matlock- Bass,Guitars,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Kit Saunders- Drums,additional percussion
Jaska Latvala- Rhythm Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Jack Burton- Keyboards,Keytar

Satyr in the Frost(Melodic Black Metal,think Satyricon/Mayhem/Early Dimmu Borgir/Immortal)
Sigmund-Vocals and Rhythm guitar
Celt-Drums
Saxon-Lead Guitar
Sauron-Keyboard
Gris-Bass
Rincewind wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

xNightsidex wrote:
Oops I stumbled over and hit the "extend ban" button.

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline tension101  
#4 Posted : 14 December 2009 06:03:46(UTC)
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The Nimrods wrote:
tension101 wrote:
All my songs follow a story of a man and a woman who are in love with eachother, but then the man (who I've dubbed Jordan) figures out that the girl (Emily) is cheating on him. This makes Jordan go crazy, and he kills Emily, but after a while regrets that he did it, and confesses to the crime by going to the funeral and totally making a scene.

Those are the bases my lyrics, pretty much. Since I'm currently not in a band, I don't know how the music would get written.



don't you play bass? you could always get a midi keyboard and make music or put it on guitar pro.


Hmmm... Well, that's an idea, but I like the concept of a full band contributing ideas to eachother, and if you don't like the ideas one person has, you can say so instead of thinking, "Well, I like it, so it must be good!".
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Offline Aj  
#5 Posted : 14 December 2009 06:05:19(UTC)
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I've written three songs in the past year, and with each one I basically listened to some Beethoven on repeat, stuck a load of pictures of shit on my computer screen and stared at them for a bit. Just came up with a loose concept and what I wanted to potray in them and from there just wrote a load of toss really.

I'd love to post them on here, but I'm not ballsy enough and they're not really finished yet. Next year I'd like to start writing a lot more often though :)
Offline xNightsidex  
#6 Posted : 14 December 2009 06:26:48(UTC)
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My songwriting process is always different. Consequently, I have over a hundred ideas ready to commit to record.
Offline Gildermershina  
#7 Posted : 14 December 2009 06:30:07(UTC)
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For me, I come up with cool titles, and then fail to come up with cool songs to live up to them and then mope about and cry myself to sleep.
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Offline Thorgrim  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2009 07:21:37(UTC)
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I come up with a riff, change it a bit, add a few harmonies, add some more riffs, then I work on it with a friend. After thirty minutes we always get bored, so then we'll go to some local bar and get drunk. Repeat for maybe six months, before someone finally gets another idea and adds a few riffs.

Then it's time for lyrics. I suck at writing lyrics, so I usually skip that. Et voila, you've got yourself a rippin' heavy metal track with tons of harmonies, plenty of riffs, a multitude of solos... but no drums, bass, or lyrics. Dancing
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#9 Posted : 14 December 2009 11:29:06(UTC)
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When it comes to writing a song, I love to do what any artists would. Go to a setting that can inspire you. I like going to the beach or the lake. Especially now, since my focus is on writing music, like the past 4 hours I was writing. If I want to write about something that has happened to me. I lay down the details first, so I can stay true to myself and build the lyrics from there. If is about something like "Ant Pile" or "Death Age" (two songs I wrote) the inspiration usually comes from an object or something I just saw.
Offline Paradox  
#10 Posted : 14 December 2009 12:02:23(UTC)
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I lock myself, listen Human by Death and utterly fail at songwriting
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I'm failing? I'm failing??????? LMAO!!!!!!



Mod Edit - you failed...


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Offline The Nimrods  
#11 Posted : 14 December 2009 12:11:07(UTC)
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Paradox wrote:
I lock myself, listen Human by Death and utterly fail at songwriting


Oh I do that with Symbolic! and Blackwater pack by Opeth and Still Life too
The Nimrods (Progressive Death Metal,Progressive Metal,Progressive Rock.Think Opeth/Dream Theater/Tool/Pink Floyd)
Jimmy Him- Lead Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Davey Matlock- Bass,Guitars,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Kit Saunders- Drums,additional percussion
Jaska Latvala- Rhythm Guitar,Vocals,Primary Songwriter
Jack Burton- Keyboards,Keytar

Satyr in the Frost(Melodic Black Metal,think Satyricon/Mayhem/Early Dimmu Borgir/Immortal)
Sigmund-Vocals and Rhythm guitar
Celt-Drums
Saxon-Lead Guitar
Sauron-Keyboard
Gris-Bass
Rincewind wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

xNightsidex wrote:
Oops I stumbled over and hit the "extend ban" button.

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline Gildermershina  
#12 Posted : 14 December 2009 12:32:01(UTC)
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Actually, for more insight on my "songwriting" process, here's one of my "ideas textfiles" for something I've been not actually properly working on for about a year:

Code:
*EP: Dead Leaves Over Pylon Field*
Featuring a sort of a western aesthetic (see Hex) - fuzzy but clean guitars, spring reverb, desperately minimal compositions, foley, warm

Adrift Among the Ruins of a Starship
    Remarkably minimalist track (see Music for Airports) for piano, organ and foley
    (Piano, organ, percussion, foley)
Steam Powered Planet
    Buddha machine loops and Frippertronics drones
    (Guitar, EBow, Synth, loops (courtousy of FM3), drones and hums)
Dead Leaves/Pylon Field
    Humming synth drones (see Ambarchi) with chordal guitar picking and sliding/Ebow Drones and chordal picking
    (Guitar, bass guitar, EBow, synth)
How I Met Your Moth
    Slow solo guitar?
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Offline Gorloche  
#13 Posted : 26 December 2009 10:45:39(UTC)
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Depends on what type of music I am writing, really.

For jazz, fusion, or blues rock type stuff, I normally just jam out ideas, record it and then whittle away bits in a program until I find choice nuggets, then structure a song around that.

For metal or progressive rock, I tend to sit with my instrument and, after a couple warm-up exercises, I will fiddle around with specific ideas until they work themselves out into what they are, good or bad. Then, I stockpile them and listen to them later when I am far enough away timewise to judge them.

I also find it differs greatly what instrument I am writing with at the time.

For instance, if I am working on something with my drumkit first, getting a solid rhythmic foundation, a great deal of the song comes to me at once and I can do most of the rough work on a song in about half an hour to an hour, complete with ideas for melodies, harmonies, some lyrical ideas, and structure, as well as getting most of the drums done. Meanwhile, if I am using my guitar, I tend to be able to only really come up with melodies, harmonies and chord structures, which I then keep in mind when I switch to drums to work out a good structure. And almost all of the things I write on piano tend to be either piano solo pieces or atmospheric music with maybe some slow guitar work or light drums or something. I normally head to keys last to get ideas for harmonies and chord progressions.

My standard tends to be working on something on drums first (as that is my first musical love and the instrument that I have the most experience on by far, over ten years worth), then once I have a good structure worked out, I'll go through old riffs and melodies I've written on guitar and see what fits and, if nothing does, I'll write something new. Then I'll go on keys to get some chord changes down and use that plus my drum rhythmic patterns and structure ideas to begin making the skeleton; i.e. bare drums, keys and guitar, and maybe bass if I feel like pulling it out and recording something.

The final step is always me showing the piece to people to try and find people to play on it and help flesh out the track with their own touches and then no one wants to, so I eat the tape like a goat in front of them and bury myself up to my neck in garbage I find on the street.

And every now and again, I'll write lyrics first, then craft a song around whatever mood I feel the lyrics need. I'll normally include notes with lyrics I write on what kind of musical backing each section would need. Oddly enough, I've found that writing multi-part progressive rock suites comes much easier to me than writing regular ass, normal fucking songs. Which is both annoying and pleasing in different ways.
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