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Offline Laurelles1  
#1 Posted : 16 December 2009 06:12:40(UTC)
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#2 Posted : 16 December 2009 06:18:43(UTC)
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Ooh, I've heard a lot about this. Rage Against The Machine are actually winning in the midweek chart but Joe will most likely overtake once the physical CD is out tomorrow, but you never know! I want RATM to be #1. :)
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#3 Posted : 16 December 2009 06:38:14(UTC)
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All for RATM #1. The X Factor has changed Christmas #1 from a good competition - I always liked to find out the competitors, make sure to buy my favourite, then the Sunday night before Christmas, I'd sit listening to the radio and find out who'd won - to a deadset win from a TV star. Bring back the race! (:
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#4 Posted : 16 December 2009 07:22:43(UTC)
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Just before Forkboy goes all nuclear on this thread, I'd like to state the surprising news that I am in favour of this strange grassroots endeavour to get Rage Against the Machine to the top of the charts in time for Christmas precisely because it's beating them at their own game with their own weapon.
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#5 Posted : 16 December 2009 08:06:37(UTC)
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I'm not really going to nuclear.

I'd just rather they picked a song that wasn't on the same record label as Xfactor, preferably one on an independent label because I believe record labels tend to be, in general, quite unethical. I'll still, inevitably, check to see if it wins out or not, and it would be quite neat if it happens. It's just, well, my stance on major labels is pretty much set in stone. I think the overall gesture of "stopping Simon Cowell from getting the #1 single at Christmas" is thoroughly pointless because if you want to avoid the Christmas #1 it's very easy and trust me, if you want to ignore Xfactor it's very easy too. And buying a single that means that Simon Cowell and his chums at Sony BMG get all the Xfactor money and then a big fat pile more from thousands of sales of Killing In The Name is the sort of short-sightedness that the internet seems to be responsible for.

It's hard trying to find great older independent labels admittedly, they all end up bought out by one of the 4 majors, which is why the record industry is so fucking depressing. But take Radiohead for example. They are currently signed to XL, an independent label. So pick one of their new songs, that's one that everyone likes.

Of course I think if you are going to be buying a single for the purpose of sticking two fingers up at the pop charts you'd be better picking something that is more or less an escape from the classic song-structure of pop music. Such as Big Church (Megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért) by Sunn O)))
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#6 Posted : 16 December 2009 08:46:01(UTC)
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But major labels are the way they are because people want the shit they're selling when they're selling it. And it's only the same label by way of the labels having been bought up by the same company, as with most music labels of any particular size. It's actually different divisions of the same parent company, and the fact that it's a catalogue title and not a promoted release...

I just think, if there's anything the internet can do to allow people to make a stand against cultural stagnation, in any small way why not? This could easily cause ripples in the way the commercial music industry runs. They're not waves mind you, but ripples are better than nothing.
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#7 Posted : 16 December 2009 09:02:46(UTC)
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I think you're looking too far into this, it was just a little bit of fun and taking the piss out of Simon Cowell - which can only be a good thing.
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#8 Posted : 16 December 2009 20:22:42(UTC)
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Except making Simon Cowell more money is hardly the most effective method of taking the piss out of him.

And that's kind of the problem really, people on the internet seem unable at taking things at more than face-value. People of this generation don't look at things more deeply. Which is infuriating.
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#9 Posted : 16 December 2009 23:58:52(UTC)
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Except making Simon Cowell more money is hardly the most effective method of taking the piss out of him.

And that's kind of the problem really, people on the internet seem unable at taking things at more than face-value. People of this generation don't look at things more deeply. Which is infuriating.


Actually, I'm not sure he is making money, he's A&R for his division of Sony, not Epic. Not sure how the corporate structure works, but you know.

People do look at things more deeply than face value, because if you go beyond the money concerns this carries a consumer choice message. Lets say there's a million downloads at less than £1 - that's significantly less than £1,000,000, to a corporation - but the thing is, lets say you stole an album as a gesture, that doesn't get recorded... It will be recorded that this song was almost christmas number one by internet word of mouth alone. That's going to make any corporation re-assess their marketing strategy at the very least.

That's all information that's not on the surface either.
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#10 Posted : 17 December 2009 04:46:12(UTC)
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Every year Simon Cowell more or less guarentees Christmas #1 for the X Factor winner, he shouldn't, because it can't be guarenteed. Joe will probably be dissapointed by Christmas.
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#11 Posted : 19 December 2009 09:49:36(UTC)
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Funniest thing I've heard in a long time, nice to know there are still some proper rockstars ;)
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#12 Posted : 19 December 2009 09:58:57(UTC)
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BBC can pretty dumb sometimes, as much as I support them as an organisation.

I mean really, trying to get a band who sing "fuck you I won't do what you tell me" to censor themselves. Yeeeeeeeeeah, though that one through, clearly.
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#13 Posted : 21 December 2009 04:58:53(UTC)
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#14 Posted : 21 December 2009 04:59:50(UTC)
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old.gregg wrote:
Well, it happened. Dancing


Rage made number 1?
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What's everyone else do in the real world?


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#15 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:01:19(UTC)
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Simon is an idiot. I'm glad this happened.
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#16 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:16:27(UTC)
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Rage made number 1?


Yep! Yayyyyyy, so glad. :D
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#17 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:25:25(UTC)
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GirlSpice wrote:
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Rage made number 1?


Yep! Yayyyyyy, so glad. :D


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#18 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:41:13(UTC)
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Simon is an idiot. I'm glad this happened.

He's clearly not an idiot. He's clearly a very clever man. Manipulative, arrogant, unpleasant, a total cunt. But not an idiot
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#19 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:47:29(UTC)
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GirlSpice wrote:
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Well, it happened. Dancing


Rage made number 1?


Yep! Yayyyyyy, so glad. :D


Me too! Simon, is such an idiot, he thinks that we don't know that all he wants is the money, he doesn't and has never cared about talent.
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#20 Posted : 21 December 2009 06:14:13(UTC)
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I think if it had been any other time of the year i wouldn't have minded that the song was no 1 but at christmas its just not at all something i want to hear at christmas I'm happy that it shows that not everything is quite as predictable in music these days, but i don't really like the song i think there could have been a better suited song.
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