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Offline The Nimrods  
#1 Posted : 21 December 2009 04:51:57(UTC)
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I'm kinda surprised this hasn't really come up.

I smoke pot, on a weekly basis, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, but I don't do anything else. I think it should be legal because if it's not as bad as smoking and alcohol then it should be legal or they shouldn't be.However prohibition is what gave America the mafia and our first black market.I still think hard drugs are horrible though, and a lot of prescription stuff too because a lot of it is just as addictive.I have a few friends back in Florida who due to the convenience (a few hours from Miami) are on heroin,crack,meth, the likes. I didn't believe them but they all hang out together and my other friends who used to hang out with them say they don't due to drug use.Anyway, what do you guys think about drugs?

Should any be legal, why or why not? Really I don't think the government should stop anyone from putting anything in their bodies, that's a bit over controlling, if they want to be stupid enough to buy,sell, and/or use drugs, it's their problem.I mean seriously if people want to kill themselves, why stop them?
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The Nimrods wrote:
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Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


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I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline forkboy  
#2 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:45:18(UTC)
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My opinions on drugs are clear. Legalise them, tax them as heavily as tobacco and alcohol are taxed, crack down hard on illegal dealers, have state run/licensed shops as the only place that they are allowed to be bought. Make it illegal to use them outside of private residences.
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#3 Posted : 21 December 2009 05:47:14(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
My opinions on drugs are clear. Legalise them, tax them as heavily as tobacco and alcohol are taxed, crack down hard on illegal dealers, have state run/licensed shops as the only place that they are allowed to be bought. Make it illegal to use them outside of private residences.


I agree completely
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now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline Mt. Epic  
#4 Posted : 21 December 2009 06:04:06(UTC)
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Marijuana is proven to be less of a health hazard than alcohol, so why not legalize marijuana? I mean, people already use it to a large extent. My brother for example. Also, if the government doesn't want people taking drugs, then introduce an equally enjoyable sustitute that is healthier, like sex. lol I mean you want to smoke a joint, so tell your girlfriend/boyfriend, and they'll prefer oral for you instead.

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Offline tension101  
#5 Posted : 21 December 2009 06:23:26(UTC)
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I smoke pot, on a weekly basis, sometimes a lot, sometimes a little, but I don't do anything else.

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#6 Posted : 21 December 2009 07:10:32(UTC)
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Pretty much what Forkboy said really, I mean I used to smoke weed a lot and done some shit called Buzzers, which I reckon was just Poppers but my mate called em Buzzers to make them sound less gay. But oh well, Buzzers/Poppers were shit they just gave me a headache and felt light headed. Weed's awesome, and I think it should be legalized. Here's what I think about the main drugs:

Alcohol - Legal to over 20's
Ciggerrettes - Legal to over 20's
Weed - Legal to over 20's
Ecstasy - Legal to over 20's
Cocaine - Illegal
Heroin - Illegal

But like Forkboy said, you must have a controlled environment like a Pharmacy to sell them and also possibly have card's to show you have no history of mental illness etc.
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#7 Posted : 21 December 2009 07:20:30(UTC)
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.Don't see why you have the right to restrict heroin and not booze
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#8 Posted : 21 December 2009 07:29:53(UTC)
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Unless it comes from a plant, I won't touch it. Weed, shrooms, both prime examples and fine by me.

My boyfriend tried Methadrone recently, which is some legal (as of the moment...) drug, and not to be confused with Methadone (the substitute used to wean addicts off heroin). I looked it up a few days later and the side effects are more plentiful than the actual buzz effects. That, and it sends you through the roof. I have bitemarks to prove it >.<

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Offline The Nimrods  
#9 Posted : 21 December 2009 07:32:30(UTC)
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Like Lewis I wont touch it unless it comes from a plant but I think everything should be legal
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now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline Aj  
#10 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:01:31(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
.Don't see why you have the right to restrict heroin and not booze


Because one shot of heroin can kill you, but you have to be pretty out of it or unlucky to kill yourself on booze. I mean both wreck families for sure, but of course kids are going to get hold of it and what would you prefer, your kids jacking up or getting a little pissed?
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#11 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:04:03(UTC)
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Think about this though, most people don't die from heroin once, but if it was legal it wouldn't be in a place you could find it, and if a kid did get a hold of it 1 kids dont like needles and 2 they'd probably puke and never do it again, however with alcohol they might use it constantly when you aren't home.
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I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

Offline Aj  
#12 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:20:01(UTC)
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Think about this though, most people don't die from heroin once, but if it was legal it wouldn't be in a place you could find it, and if a kid did get a hold of it 1 kids dont like needles and 2 they'd probably puke and never do it again, however with alcohol they might use it constantly when you aren't home.


Kid's as in 15/16 year old's. Saying they don't like needles doesn't help, you don't have to inject heroin for a start but also even one person dying is too many so don't tell me every single person under 18 will be put off by the needles. Alcohol should also only be sold in a Pharmacy, behind the counter in a controlled environment. The problem with drugs come when a mum's a heroin addict and then if you legalise she keeps it in the house in an open space because she has no worries about being raided, and then the kid gets a hold of needles that have already been used - or even emotional damage. I mean I stupidly get upset when I see my mum smoking, because I know what it does to her and I know she carries on even though she knows it's bad. And to have a mum who uses heroin would be horrible - the constant fear your mum could overdose is just one major problem.

The problem is you two are looking at it from the point of view where everyone's got individual rights and it's your choice what you do with stuff - well it has an effects on the kids too and you can't force it upon people. If you are going to legalise heroin and cocaine, at least have sessions or parties that are organised and safe environments to use them. The worst thing is with drugs is that they just make people hopeless. They become dependant on it and don't care about the rest of life. Which is horrible, because everyone should strive to be the best human being they can be in my opinion in whatever small way they can do it.
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#13 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:24:33(UTC)
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Well of course it would be used within a safe environment (then again anywhere with any drug isn't really safe). But like I said, if you're stupid enough to do drugs like heroin then you should be able to, if a kid is dumb enough to try that shit I say let them, their fault, not my fucking problem if a kid wants to do heroin. People get homeless from alcohol too, heroin for an extreme junkie is very expensive and most people aren't homeless off of it because they don't want to spend the money, people get homeless from crack because it's cheap and they can spend,spend,spend.
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I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

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#14 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:26:57(UTC)
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Also if a kid's parent is an addict and they get scared and depressed and emotionally damage they need to talk to a school counselor or something, if they're 15-18 they've probably got friends to move in with, and because heroin is so unattractive most people wouldn't want to do it anyway.
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I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

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#15 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:28:56(UTC)
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The Nimrods wrote:
Also if a kid's parent is an addict and they get scared and depressed and emotionally damage they need to talk to a school counselor or something, if they're 15-18 they've probably got friends to move in with, and because heroin is so unattractive most people wouldn't want to do it anyway.


Doesn't make it any better! You can't say just let them, because say it was your brother and then he overdosed the first time he took it, you wouldn't be saying it then would you?
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#16 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:31:53(UTC)
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Durgs (yes I spell it like that sometimes because it sounds funny to say it that way) are cool because they're illegal, because they're restricted. Same reason kids want to get pissed and smoke and have sex long before it's legal.
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#17 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:32:33(UTC)
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Aj wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
Also if a kid's parent is an addict and they get scared and depressed and emotionally damage they need to talk to a school counselor or something, if they're 15-18 they've probably got friends to move in with, and because heroin is so unattractive most people wouldn't want to do it anyway.


Doesn't make it any better! You can't say just let them, because say it was your brother and then he overdosed the first time he took it, you wouldn't be saying it then would you?


I'd be pissed about it but it's his fault for being a dumbass.Obviously I'd be sad, I'd be horrified,and if I was able to stop him I would've have, but if he had the audacity and/or stupidity to put it in him then fuck it there's nothing I can do.My mom smokes too, I tell her not to but she does so what will I do about it?A junkie is a junkie and there's no stopping that, if people can buy heroin for cheap without having to go on the street and without the dangers of dealers then it should be legalized.
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I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

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#18 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:37:07(UTC)
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You can't keep playing the "What if" card because that's only so likely.What if you decided to cliff dive, what if you decided to drive drunk, what if you decided to snort a line, what if I decided to chug a bottle of jack and got sick.What if, what if, what if, the key point is the IF you can't spend time thinking about what will happen until something does happen that jeopardizes the situation IN WHICH CASE you make a decision.Heroin was made illegal because of dependence not because someone ODed the first time. And you're saying X should be legal, people die of dehydration, stroke, heart attacks, and other cardiac and brain problems from first time use, same with inhalants.
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Rincewind wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
I knew you'd be back! *cries*


now now, *hugs and steals wallet*

xNightsidex wrote:
Oops I stumbled over and hit the "extend ban" button.

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Gildermershina wrote:
The Nimrods wrote:
xNightsidex wrote:
Sooo...

What's everyone else do in the real world?


Sell pot and jerk off

JK, or am i?


At the same time?


Rincewind wrote:
Synxhard wrote:
I don't believe in jeans...


well your shit out of luck because they believe in you.....

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#19 Posted : 21 December 2009 08:43:55(UTC)
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Durgs (yes I spell it like that sometimes because it sounds funny to say it that way) are cool because they're illegal, because they're restricted. Same reason kids want to get pissed and smoke and have sex long before it's legal.


Durg's are cool because they feel good, not because they're illegal. :P That's in my case anyway, I'm not one to give into peer pressure. Hell I even buy my own music and buy my own music from the shop - something that's pretty rare nowadays.

And I'm playing the 'What if' card because this shit will happen eventually if you legalize heroin and it aint no fun for the loved ones, and the loss of people close to you effects people in so many different ways you can't possibly sit there and say that if your brother died, your mother would sit there and say she'd just 'be pissed'. The point is that even though after a while she might have realised there was nothing she could do, you can't make that call. Plenty of people blame themselves for the deaths of their loved ones when it had jack shit to do with them.
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#20 Posted : 21 December 2009 09:03:09(UTC)
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Unless it comes from a plant, I won't touch it. Weed, shrooms, both prime examples and fine by me.

My boyfriend tried Methadrone recently, which is some legal (as of the moment...) drug, and not to be confused with Methadone (the substitute used to wean addicts off heroin). I looked it up a few days later and the side effects are more plentiful than the actual buzz effects. That, and it sends you through the roof. I have bitemarks to prove it >.<

Methadrone is one of the few drugs I've ever taken, alongside alcohol. Didn't get any buzz from it, nor any after affects (admittedly only had the one line) but it did help me stay awake from 4am on Thursday until I got onto my train home from Brum at 5:30pm on Friday.
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