RIGHT well I don't know how much support there is on either side of this, and hopefully we could have a nice meaty discussion about it seeing as there hasn't been one in quite a while. So basically, is it okay to be gay. Simple question, and most people in the modern age would say a quite simple answer, but is it REALLY okay to be gay? I mean, looking from an evolutionary perspective, surely homosexuals bring no advances to the human race at all? Is it okay in the eyes of the lord to be gay? What about adoption by gay parents, it's quite a touchy area.

Btw, don't have a rant at me about being homophobic, I'm playing the devils advocate here.

It is actually, at this point in human history, better to be gay, because there are too many people. The birthrate needs lowering - though mostly in developing countries, and unfortunately those are the kinds of countries where homosexuality is still a serious crime.

If being gay is somehow immoral because it doesn't produce offspring and advance the species, then any kind of recreational sex is also, by definition, immoral.

Victim: Do you love me. I'm gay.

Christian: I will pray for you. *prays*

Victim: I'm still gay.

Christian: Let me try again.

Victim: Hold on. May I ask you a question?

Christian: Sure.

Victim: Do you love me?

Christian: I will pray for you.

Victim: So you don't love me? Doesn't god say love everyone?

Christian: I will pray for you. I love everyone.

Victim: Do you love me?

Christian: I will pray for you.

Victim: Fine.

Christian: In the name of ****, we will not let the devil sneak into your soul. In the name of ****, this demon inside of you will vanish. *moments later*
Congratulations! You are now official straight....again.

Victim: Thank you!

Christian: You're welcome! Make sure to keep coming to church so your relationship with god maintains.

Vicitim: I've been coming to church since day one........ but anyways, thank you!

*Leaves church* Hmmmm........ Nope still there I guess. WHY ME?

I don't get it ? :S

Yes, yes it is.

Nobody can really prove to society that either answer to this question correct, or at least one side will die before it happens.
For the sake of plainly asking, can science tell us why only the female human can produce offspring?
I know this point has already been stated, but I just feel that even biology's telling me something about that.
Don't give me that sex change crap, adoption, or other(?) that's just cheating and creepy on all levels.

In terms of sexual intercourse, I'm not for it.. at least not for the passive role. I honestly can't give my opinion on something I haven't experienced fully.

How is it better to be gay? If you're a hetero virgin and stick to only 1 hetero virgin(vaginally), then it's extremely possible that you're gonna be disease free. Gay? I don't think so.

If you blame the hetero's for overpopulation, I'll agree. People everywhere(not just developing countries) have some pretty fucked up ideas about procreation. Pardon my racism, but I'll give you two examples. Mexicans (and I mean those specifically from Mexico) for some reason tend to have 5-10 kids by the time they hit middle age and then their kids do the same fucking thing, not contributing shit to society except for tacos and Catholicism. Africans( and I mean most of the natives excluding them whities) are dirt poor(because of their own corrupt governments and of course, us white people) and filled with AIDS(don't those damn witchdoctors get that fucking monkeys doesn't fix shit) , yet spawn like rats, leaving dozens of diseased and dead children to wander the barren continent while the disease spreads throughout the world uncontained. Look, I'm all for population control but the cold truth is that humanity doesn't give a shit.

I'll agree with your point on recreational sex as well, as it would be ridiculous not to after what I've previously stated.

God doesn't want man/woman to be gay because biblically, man was definitely not designed to be attracted to himself. Read Genesis again to find out who he made for Adam. Then read about the city of Sodom.

Forkboy, your points are sound but, are you gay? I mean, if you were.. could you honestly say to yourself that you've never had a sexual thought about any female before in your life up until your "revelation". To be serious, I doubtany little kid has grown up attracted to boys, rather he chose his preference in the midst of his adolescence at the youngest. Of course there are several arguments to my point, but I'm just throwing that out there again.

Stephaniewazhere, if that was your personal experience or someone else's.. then that hypocritical Christian is gonna get what's coming to them. The Bible in actuality teaches exactly that we must love our neighbor unconditionally, despite their choices in life. Now, this doesn't mean we accept their choices, but we love them anyway.

For anyone wondering why gays are treated like shit, it's because that's the way the world wants it is. The world doesn't give a shit about what year it is or how far we've progressed technologically or politically, because in the end the kings of this world rule us peasants. There is no questioning to that answer, just opposition.

In the end everyone chooses who they want to be, gay or straight. Let the first one without blame cast the first stone.

Because women have female sexual organs. Males lack fallopian tubes, ovaries, and a womb. We do have residual breasts which is why men still have nipples, and it is not unknown for males to lactate (produce milk which is excreted through the nipples) on rare occasions.

That's a new one. I thought the religious favoured adoption over abortion? But it's CREEPY? What the fuck? Taking in a child who is not of your seed, abandoned by their parent and giving them a loving home now is creepy?

Dude I was using the reference as a generalization, not specifying one point. Did I ever say it could be cured, I prefer to think of it as a condition you can't get rid of once you get it.
On terms of sexual acts, I could care less when it comes down whether kissing or oral is really acceptable, but anal really isn't natural dude. You shit out of that thing. There's a reason why it's classified as part of the digestive system, not genitalia.

So anal sex isn't natural you say? As opposed to what, using computers? Wearing clothes?

Or if you mean in strictly the sexual arena, by your reasoning vaginal sex is the only "natural" sex act. So masturbation is out. Oral is out. Use of condoms. Sex toys... Because apparently the only NATURAL form of sex is that which has some chance of resulting in a child. Recreational sex is apparently not natural... Or perhaps you think it is, just not in that particular orifice.

Of course anal sex actually occurs throughout the animal kingdom, and has been documented. Why should Homo Sapiens be any different in that regard? So you know, couching your individual preference as biological fact doesn't really fly.

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On the discussion for adoption, while I'll agree with you on it being a noble act, it shouldn't be as necessarily prevalent as it is today. I mean, everyone has a choice right? If the parents were unable or unresponsible enough to even have that kid, then why did they? If such importance on safe sex is placed in society, why the hell are people having kids only to abort or put them up for adoption? The scenario shouldn't even occur nearly as much if at all in my opinion.

On the terms of getting STI/STDs, it actually does matter. While heterosexual or homosexual monogamous vaginal intercourse really has no risks, male homosexuals only have anal and oral. Health risks: Anal sex exposes participants to two principal dangers: infections, due to the high number of infectious microorganisms not found elsewhere on the body, and physical damage to the anus and the rectum due to their vulnerability. Frequent anal sex is associated with hemorrhoids, anal prolapse, leakage, rectal pain, ulcers and fissures.

I now understand your point on the whole sexual preference percentage thing, although you might get aroused by some dude sucking you off, you can't generalize in the sense that all guys will. I mean, there are just some that would stay limp through the entire process, but I guess you disagree with me on that as well, couldn't you.

On the terms of the whole "politicians coming out" thing, the point I was trying to make was whether or not YOU or ANYONE else for that matter could tell if they were saying the truth. I mean, you can pretty much fake any kind of sexual orientation if you wanted to, gay, straight, or bi... so how does it go against reason to say that anyone is exempt from suspicion? Their words? Ok then. It's just my personal opinion. Oh yeah, I realized what you were trying to reference with that whole biblical upbringing thing. I wasn't one of them, although I had suspicions(could you call them at such a young age) of someone I knew there. I was taught along with everyone else in the class about David&Goliath, Cain&Abel, Adam&Eve, but without the whole indoctrination that came with the adult sunday school. They enjoyed preserving the innocence(or wouldn't be called sheltering?) of the children.

You're right about the difference in our seperate country's views , although I think your definition of "prejudiced and unprejudiced" should just be referred to be as "for and against". The only thing I'm really angry about is the supreme court denying our state's rights that our hallowed Constitution supported up until now.

As for tolerance vs. bigotry, over here in the U.S. all that tolerance is an excuse for all the supposed people to use when they royally fuck up and want to blame someone else. For example, blacks cry racism, jews cry anti-semitism (which makes no sense because being semitic=all arabs), and now we have hispanics crying racism as well. That makes it very hard for me to accept it because all we'll ever have over here is a "politically correct" society that puts everyone they feel like in jail for bullshit hate crimes that they never committed. The same goes for hetero vs. homo is some sense, but not all.

When I stated that I didn't really care, I meant that I didn't support it either.