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Offline TheCDs  
#1 Posted : 18 November 2010 08:35:13(UTC)
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Kotaku actually has done this a few times with developers at a couple conventions. The basic premise is that we start with a list of ten games, in this case the 10 highest rated games on Game Rankings, and make changes to it to create an evolving list of greatest games. Ultimately the goal is to create a list that no one feels compelled to change (or at least change much).

The List

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Super Mario Galaxy 2
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Metroid Prime
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Mass Effect 2

(I skipped over the Orange Box because it is a compilation and not a single game).

The Rules

Each poster may make one of two moves:
1. Swap a game's position with another game (for example switching Resident Evil 4 and Tekken 3 so Tekken is 9 and RE4 is 8)
or
2. Replace a game on the list with another game (I could choose to replace Super Mario Galaxy with GoldenEye, which would then become the #2 game)

After making the move the poster must give some justification for their move. It is up to the individual poster how to define greatness (be it innovation, importance to the industry, quality, fun factor, etc.).

Once the move has been stated and explained the poster must repost the list. The changes made should be marked in bold text.

Any game can be nominated, with the exception of compilations. The focus here is on a single game being the greatest not a collection of games.

I will make the first post, which will also be an example.

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#2 Posted : 18 November 2010 08:36:46(UTC)
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My move is to replace Metroid Prime with Super Metroid. I want a Metroid game on the list and Super Metroid is the greatest in the series and arguably one of the top 5 greatest games ever.

The List

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Super Mario Galaxy 2
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Mass Effect 2
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#3 Posted : 18 November 2010 08:47:52(UTC)
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OH FUCKED UP -
EDIT:

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Super Mario Galaxy 2
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3

Because it is the best game I've ever played and Mass Effect 2 wasn't the best by any means.

Edited by user 18 November 2010 08:49:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:01:20(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3

because one mario game is a silly thing... let alone two of them!!
Also Half-life 2 is an amazing game... possibly the best thing Valve has ever come up with and is the game i play most on the list... It has a great plot, amazing setting and great gameplay..... i am really hoping the next person moves it to the top... because lets face it, thats where it deserves to be!
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#5 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:08:22(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Side note: I think everyone owned this game, the score is EPIC too)
2. Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 & 2
3. Super Mario
4. Tetris
5. Pacman
6. Tekken 3 (Use to play this with my friends, I would always pick the women characters)
7. Super Smash Bros. Meele
8. Tomb Raider (Side note: Fierce bitch!)
9. Sonic The Hedgehog
10. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City

I'm pretty sure I forgot a couple, but the games listed, were EPIC in my opinion.

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#6 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:17:38(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:22:04(UTC)
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just thought i'd point out the rules.....
make one of two changes.... not change the whole list so it only reflects your own personal opinions..
I hate it when people see me at the supermarket and they are like:
Hey, what are you doing here?
and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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#8 Posted : 18 November 2010 10:25:20(UTC)
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Rincewind wrote:
just thought i'd point out the rules.....
make one of two changes.... not change the whole list so it only reflects your own personal opinions..


My apologies. It's my fault though, all I read was "The Ten Greatest Games of All Time" and got too excited, resulting me not reading that bit.

Next time I would like you to point it out via PM. Thank you!
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#9 Posted : 18 November 2010 12:07:20(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Red Dead Redemption
3. Half Life 2
4. Grand Theft Auto IV
5. Soul Calibur
6. Super Mario Galaxy
7. Super Metroid
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3

Not sure I did this right, but correct me if I didnt.
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#10 Posted : 18 November 2010 14:00:55(UTC)
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ASDF you can do one or the other. Either put RDR on the list or swap the positions of Super Mario Galaxy and another game, also you need to provide some explanation/justification for your move.

Edited by user 18 November 2010 14:20:24(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#11 Posted : 18 November 2010 15:03:33(UTC)
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TheCDs wrote:
ASDF you can do one or the other. Either put RDR on the list or swap the positions of Super Mario Galaxy and another game, also you need to provide some explanation/justification for your move.


Okay, here goes...

1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Tekken 3
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3


Red dead is a much better game than GTA 4 in many ways. The story is much more emotional and pulls you in more, its a very beautiful game where GTA 4 wasnt exactly as much. The characters were very realistic and made you actually feel for them and the experience of the game in general is just a much more enjoyable one that GTA 4.
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#12 Posted : 18 November 2010 20:01:27(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Soul Calibur
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3


Tekken 3? really? I figure at least one single Final Fantasy deserves a slot, and I guess, VI is probably the one that gets it.

Also, I note, no Super Mario World? And how come Soul Calibur is even on there? Where's Civilization?
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#13 Posted : 18 November 2010 21:04:26(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Streets of Rage 2
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Resident Evil 4
10. Persona 3

soul calibre was an ok game..... but games like street fighter, streets of rage were and still are a class above....
streets of rage is still one of my favorate games, and i still dust off the old sega to play it.
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#14 Posted : 18 November 2010 21:37:12(UTC)
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Streets of Rage 2
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Pokemon Yellow
10. Persona 3

Because as a kid I used to love having Pikachu follow me around.
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#15 Posted : 18 November 2010 21:57:26(UTC)
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While I agree at least one Pokemon game may deserve a place in the list, you chose to knock out Resident Evil 4, and not Persona 3?


1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Streets of Rage 2
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Pokemon Yellow
10. Resident Evil 4

Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but I feel like these games need to have some important legacy or other achievement that makes them important to the history of gaming, or at the very least, a major groundbreaking achievement. Resident Evil 4 is pretty much the originator of all modern third-person shooters, reinventing the genre and the franchise, and is easily the best Resident Evil. Persona 3 is what, another JRPG?
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#16 Posted : 18 November 2010 23:10:47(UTC)
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ive never even heard of persona 3.....
or uncharted 2 : amongst thieves

Rpg wise... i think it needs to be diablo 2 or Baulders gate 2 rather than a final fantasy game... but then im biased against console rpg's in the first place...
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#17 Posted : 18 November 2010 23:24:14(UTC)
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1. Tetris
2. Super Mario Galaxy
3. Half-Life 2
4. Red Dead Redemption
5. Streets of Rage 2
6. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
7. Super Metroid
8. Final Fantasy VI
9. Pokemon Yellow
10. Resident Evil 4

Tetris is one of the most important games of all time. Almost every puzzle game, especially the early ones, owe some debt to Tetris. It also happens to be extremely fun and addictive and in many ways was also the first casual game when it launched for the GameBoy. It is the perfect game to pick up and play for a few minutes and then move on to something else.
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#18 Posted : 19 November 2010 08:52:48(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:

Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but I feel like these games need to have some important legacy or other achievement that makes them important to the history of gaming, or at the very least, a major groundbreaking achievement. Resident Evil 4 is pretty much the originator of all modern third-person shooters, reinventing the genre and the franchise, and is easily the best Resident Evil. Persona 3 is what, another JRPG?


I kinda laughed when I saw 'Originator of All Modern Third-Person Shooters, reinventing the genre.' Hell maybe we played two different games but I saw one of my favorite series change gears and turn into something I could find by going through the bargain bin. I mean Gears Of Wars, Uncharted and Max Payne would be things I'd consider as the pillar of the Third Person Shooter. Resident Evil 4 marked the change from Horror to Action and I like Horror much more. Was the Chainsaw guy scary? Sure. Was it as scary as walking into a room to find a fucking dog jump through the window and tear you to bits? Not at all. As for Persona 3 being 'another JRPG' that'd be like calling Die Hard just another action movie or Television just another invention. For me it was a great experience because it combined "The Sims" and and a good RPG that actually required me to use buffs and debuffs.
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#19 Posted : 19 November 2010 10:12:26(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:

Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but I feel like these games need to have some important legacy or other achievement that makes them important to the history of gaming, or at the very least, a major groundbreaking achievement. Resident Evil 4 is pretty much the originator of all modern third-person shooters, reinventing the genre and the franchise, and is easily the best Resident Evil. Persona 3 is what, another JRPG?


I kinda laughed when I saw 'Originator of All Modern Third-Person Shooters, reinventing the genre.' Hell maybe we played two different games but I saw one of my favorite series change gears and turn into something I could find by going through the bargain bin. I mean Gears Of Wars, Uncharted and Max Payne would be things I'd consider as the pillar of the Third Person Shooter. Resident Evil 4 marked the change from Horror to Action and I like Horror much more. Was the Chainsaw guy scary? Sure. Was it as scary as walking into a room to find a fucking dog jump through the window and tear you to bits? Not at all. As for Persona 3 being 'another JRPG' that'd be like calling Die Hard just another action movie or Television just another invention. For me it was a great experience because it combined "The Sims" and and a good RPG that actually required me to use buffs and debuffs.


Resident Evil 4 is not as scary as Resident Evil 2. It is however more fun to play. And I don't know it actually seems more scary early on, when you're trapped in a house with villagefolk smashing through the windows. It's different from jump scares, it's more of a tension that underpins it. Also, Resident Evil games at that point were in a complete dead-end. Everybody thought Resident Evil 4 was going to be more of the same, but instead they took a risk and given the universal acclaim it received on release, it clearly paid off. Maybe you're not into it, but you're in the minority.

My point though is that without RE4, there would have been no Gears of War. The tight over-the-shoulder camera view and heavy-handling characters that characterise all modern shooters comes straight out of RE4. Sure, the cover-mechanic comes later, from Gears of War, but until RE4, third-person shooters were a very different affair. Stuff like Max Payne and Hitman feel completely different.

Now I may not know a great deal about Persona 3, but just being a good game that you like doesn't really qualify a game as one of the ten greatest of all time. And being a story-based game, your experience of it is obviously coloured largely by your enjoyment of that story. Grim Fandango for example is a great story somewhat hampered by fiddly controls and adventure game logic. But you saying Persona 3 is the 10th best game of all time... What if I said it was Grandia? Or Golden Axe Warrior? Or Alundra? Those were great RPGs too. You don't remember them though do you?
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#20 Posted : 19 November 2010 10:32:53(UTC)
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Yes actually, I do remember them. If Grim Fandago isn't on the list because of its controls RE 4 shouldn't be either because its story was so crappy. Just because something brought a new camera angle into play doesn't make it the best. Being in the Minority doesn't make you wrong nor does it make the item in question "Better or Worse". If we're going by popularity then someone like say 50 Cent or Lil Wayne is better than Nine Inch Nails or Jefferson Airplane. My point is just because it brings something new to the table doesn't make it one of the Ten Greatest Games of All Time.
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