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Originally Posted by: Mckenzie-  Originally Posted by: forkboy I just in a nutshell lose respect for anyone who kills another human being in the name of their state is basically my point. It's a core philosophical belief to me. What if its killing in order to save more lives in the long run? Because essentially, that is what is happening in the Middle East. i call massive bollocks on that... as ive said earlier so far for every single person who died on 11/9, 251 innocent people have died in the middle east... how is killing over 700,000 people saving more lives in the long run? |
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Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: Mckenzie- Originally Posted by: forkboy I just in a nutshell lose respect for anyone who kills another human being in the name of their state is basically my point. It's a core philosophical belief to me. What if its killing in order to save more lives in the long run? Because essentially, that is what is happening in the Middle East. i call massive bollocks on that... as ive said earlier so far for every single person who died on 11/9, 251 innocent people have died in the middle east... how is killing over 700,000 people saving more lives in the long run? Thats a crazy stat i wasn't aware off. Even at that, we can't just pack up and leave there. We are not at peace with Al-Qaeda which will result in more attacks. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Until some sort of agreement is arranged there will always be a battle going on there. Much like the IRA ceasefire agreement. |
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Originally Posted by: Mckenzie- Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: Mckenzie- Originally Posted by: forkboy I just in a nutshell lose respect for anyone who kills another human being in the name of their state is basically my point. It's a core philosophical belief to me. What if its killing in order to save more lives in the long run? Because essentially, that is what is happening in the Middle East. i call massive bollocks on that... as ive said earlier so far for every single person who died on 11/9, 251 innocent people have died in the middle east... how is killing over 700,000 people saving more lives in the long run? Thats a crazy stat i wasn't aware off. Even at that, we can't just pack up and leave there. We are not at peace with Al-Qaeda which will result in more attacks. Unfortunately that's the way it is. Until some sort of agreement is arranged there will always be a battle going on there. Much like the IRA ceasefire agreement. Agreed and people outside the US are ignorant to not see that. And It's just how it is.
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seeing how you funded both the IRA and Al-Qaeeda..... |
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Originally Posted by: stephaniewazhere Agreed and people outside the US are ignorant to not see that. And It's just how it is.
Nahh, its not that i think people outside the US are ignorant to this. The British are in the same battle as are the French and many other nations. If anything, the British are controlling the situation more than the US are. The US owe a lot to the British for their work out there. Its still not right, i do feel for the people living in these countries being woken to the sound of explosions and gun shots. Knowing that today could be your last, i think its really sad. I wouldn't have the war their if it was down to me under normal circumstances, its the fact that what is going to happen if we pack up and leave them countries. There will be more attacks; bigger, stronger and cause more devastation. I think if we can however, cut the fighting down. Try reach some sort of agreement, bargain with Al-Qaeda, hear their side to the story. |
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Originally Posted by: Rincewind seeing how you funded both the IRA and Al-Qaeeda..... Well, didn't i hear the Brits provided Gadaffi and his rebels weapons years ago? But, hey, lets not get into shit like that. We're having digs now and getting into politics and personal shit. I want to keep this a healthy debate because its really interesting the different points of view. |
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we didn't give him them.... we sold em to him!
sensible policy that! ;)
and saying that people outside of the USA are ignorant of terrorism is such.... well its an increddibly ignorant thing to say |
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Originally Posted by: Rincewind we didn't give him them.... we sold em to him!
sensible policy that! ;)
and saying that people outside of the USA are ignorant of terrorism is such.... well its an increddibly ignorant thing to say Oh.. well, its all business, right?xD Yes i agree. I was opposed to that statement and gave many reasons why with the big one being the British are more involved in the war against terrorism than The US. |
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I love being an American.
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Originally Posted by: stephaniewazhere I love being an American. i thought you were puerto rican... |
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To be fair, Puerto Rico is one of the leading contenders for 51st State, its pretty much considered a ghost state already(Like the fifth member of the Beatles). The only thing they really can't do is vote in U.S. Presidential Elections. |
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Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio To be fair, Puerto Rico is one of the leading contenders for 51st State, its pretty much considered a ghost state already(Like the fifth member of the Beatles). The only thing they really can't do is vote in U.S. Presidential Elections. true.. Which i think is rediculous.... Puerto Rico was given the the USA in what..1889.... so for over a hundred years they have been a part of America but had no say in the presidential election? no taxation without representation? edit - 1889 not 1989 silly jim Edited by user 14 September 2011 08:26:04(UTC)
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Rincewind is only trying to offend me, but failing miserably.
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Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio To be fair, Puerto Rico is one of the leading contenders for 51st State, its pretty much considered a ghost state already(Like the fifth member of the Beatles). The only thing they really can't do is vote in U.S. Presidential Elections. true.. Which i think is rediculous.... Puerto Rico was given the the USA in what..1989.... so for over a hundred years they have been a part of America but had no say in the presidential election? no taxation without representation? I don't know, like in the UK, we do a lot of weird shit here. Why isn't D.C. a state? It's so weird going to D.C. since it's an all around terrible place unless you're looking to go to a venue. |
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Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio To be fair, Puerto Rico is one of the leading contenders for 51st State, its pretty much considered a ghost state already(Like the fifth member of the Beatles). The only thing they really can't do is vote in U.S. Presidential Elections. true.. Which i think is rediculous.... Puerto Rico was given the the USA in what..1989.... so for over a hundred years they have been a part of America but had no say in the presidential election? no taxation without representation? I don't know, like in the UK, we do a lot of weird shit here. Why isn't D.C. a state? It's so weird going to D.C. since it's an all around terrible place unless you're looking to go to a venue. it isn't? that is weird.... but i like knowing that now! :) |
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Puertoricans are allowed to do anything a US citizen is allowed to do, ain't that sweet :) Edited by user 14 September 2011 08:27:12(UTC)
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The whole DC not being a state thing is fucking annoying! Most people dont realize that the Washington DC isn't actually in the state.. Washington, which is often confused for being Seattle.. which is not a state. - If you get me? Edited by user 14 September 2011 08:27:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio Originally Posted by: Rincewind Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio To be fair, Puerto Rico is one of the leading contenders for 51st State, its pretty much considered a ghost state already(Like the fifth member of the Beatles). The only thing they really can't do is vote in U.S. Presidential Elections. true.. Which i think is rediculous.... Puerto Rico was given the the USA in what..1989.... so for over a hundred years they have been a part of America but had no say in the presidential election? no taxation without representation? I don't know, like in the UK, we do a lot of weird shit here. Why isn't D.C. a state? It's so weird going to D.C. since it's an all around terrible place unless you're looking to go to a venue. it isn't? that is weird.... but i like knowing that now! :) D.C., funny enough, is the other close contender for 51st State, right in front of Canada and behind Puerto Rico. That's not the only weird thing, one time I saw a guy fucking a trash can. That type of thing stops your entire day, you just have to watch that guy go to town. Also @Stephanie, except for vote in U.S. Presidential Elections while you're a Puerto Rican citizen. @McKenzie - Seattle should be a state, it's awesome! Seriously though, D.C. isn't a state. WASHINGTON, which contains Seattle, Olympus and where Twilight is set, is a state. |
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Originally Posted by: DistortedAudio
D.C., funny enough, is the other close contender for 51st State, right in front of Canada and behind Puerto Rico.
That's not the only weird thing, one time I saw a guy fucking a trash can. That type of thing stops your entire day, you just have to watch that guy go to town.
Also @Stephanie, except for vote in U.S. Presidential Elections while you're a Puerto Rican citizen.
@McKenzie - Seattle should be a state, it's awesome! Seriously though, D.C. isn't a state. WASHINGTON, which contains Seattle, Olympus and where Twilight is set, is a state.
I love Seattle, most people think it sucks but it really is amazing. I usually leave the fact Twilight is set in Washington out.. its a cool state. Actually, speaking of Washingotn.. its probably the closest compression in America to the UK. The weather in Seattle is the exact same as the UK with the exception its a little warmer in the summer. |
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Originally Posted by: stephaniewazhere
That's true. That's why a lot of people move to Florida, to vote. No Visa/Green Card needed however.
This is true. All you need is a passport. @McKenzie: Washington itself is pretty awesome, only bad part is its on the West Coast. |
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