Could not disagree more with that...look at the way the law is structured and the ethical standards of medicine built in. The idea is that you, if your seriously ill you will always be receiving the best care, irregardless if the guy in the bed next needs your heart or kidney. No one will be deciding that they are not going keep you alive, should you suddenly become gravely ill because your on an organ list. The Hippocratic oath is basically in a nutshell 'to do no harm'. You are not property of the state, thats just scare mongering simple as that.

To worst thing that I can see surrounding organ donation is just fear and ignorance. Educate people as to what will happen when you are donating your organs and you can help eliminate the stigma that some attach to it. I support a scheme were you opt out as oppose to opting in...many more lives can be benefited by this.

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It's an entirely fucking stupid hypothetical. I mean it really is. I get what you are trying to say but fucksake, yeah, that's bad but it's also UTTERLY UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN. The smallest chance. Like 1 in 10 million, if not significantly higher.

Volunteering doesn't work because people don't care, people are apathetic, it takes too much effort for most folk for something they don't think about unless they need an organ. Which is why there is a huge shortfall in organs, while plenty others rot away in the ground, no use to anybody. It's stupid, and it's just sad.

I can't believe you are fixating on the 1 in a million chance. It's farcical. It's not likely. Are you one of the people who buys a lottery ticket every week just imagining it must be your week this time? You probably need to go to maths class and read up about probability and so on, try to actually get some damn perspective. I mean if you put your left foot out the door first in the morning instead of the right you COULD snap your ankle. But you won't. Ditto with this stupid hypothetical you are are obsessed with.

The rest of your post is incoherent and paranoid ranting really. The point I want to make is that it's a matter of HUMANITY. Dying, and leaving your organs to rot because you are some sort of crazy paranoid person is fucking unfortunate for the person who could have used your liver or your kidney or your corneas.

Also, no, rich people don't come first, not in this country at least. There's a waiting list. And uhh, come on. Learn about market economics. Surely the current situation where there is a considerably higher demand than supply of organs would create a market where organs cost huge quantities of money and rich folk can bribe their way up the waiting list, no? Where as if there are more organs, you will have a larger supply, and that will deflate costs because the demand will therefore go down

Of course the above is giving you the benefit of the doubt that that is how the organs market work. In the western world at least, that isn't how it works. Because organs are not commodities like steel or oil or whatever else.

Ofcourse i took a stupid hypothetical example. Thats just to confront the other side. Its not about the example but its about the principle. Yes its a one in a million chance that you give away something to someone like that. Maybe i better had taken an other example. No i never buy lottery tickets. I dont believe in winning something, and i dont support the way they do it here in the Netherlands. Its all more complicated than we both think. I consider myself as an atheist, but there are millions of christians and muslims, to take the biggest two religions, who will not think a minute to give their organs away. That shall never happen, not becouse they don't care but out of principle. Ofcourse this is selfish, but in the end most people are selfish.
BUT HEY IM NOT AGAINST DONATING, I SUPPORT DONORSHIP. But it must be out of free choice. I believe in Free Choice. And a system that you automaticly are a donor is no free choice. Thats fucking socialism, communism and fascism all together. Sorry but you cant change my oppinion about this.

Exactly. Most would donate, they just can't be bothered to tell someone or get registered, leaving a pretty awkward situation should the worst happen.

I leave it by this. This discussion will be endless.
Donating organs is a good thing to do, as i sayd in an earlyer post. I respect people who donate very highly.

I hear the cries of zombies at night now...'Mmmmmm braaaaaaains.'

Ooooops...

That was my thread, available here http://www.therockstargame.com/....aspx?g=posts&t=1049

Of course, then it would also be quite obvious how I view the issue. Firstly, I am for an opt-out system of donorship. When you die you don't need them so they should be free and available. The argument that it should be free choice doesn't matter, if I really don't want to do something I will make sure I don't do it. I mean if I go to Burger King and don't want pickles on my cheeseburger I will make sure to tell the guy behind the counter no pickles, if I don't care about pickles then I won't put the effort in to tell him. The same thing goes for opt-out organ donation, that is, you still have free-choice, the people who don't want to donate will speak up.

However, while you are living it is your body so if you got this extra kidney hanging around and you want to sell it go for it. Find someone willing to buy it and you can find a price that both sides will agree upon. If Bob makes $50,000 then he will be better off and if Joe gets his kidney he will be better off. If you are interested in the whole argument and the debate that followed check the link above.