no, the stories of ressurection and Christ himself were made before the romans

Yes maybe. Who says someone is the son of a god is indeed power hungry. Maybe he was just a jewish rebel used by the romans? Maybe he didn't exist at all? Maybe Jezus was not Ceasar but only a copy of Ceasar? Caesar was murdered in 44 BC. A great temple was built for him on the Forum Romanum. His cult was especially popular in the eastern part of the Roman Empire and suddenly stopped in the last quarter of the first century AD, when Christianity became popular. The Christians are first mentioned (and persecuted) in the time of Emperor Nero (54-68 AD), the last emperor of the Julian-Claudian house which descended from Caesar. I can imagine that Caesar became a kind of oriental fertility god and that Jesus later took over this function. I can imagine that under these circumstances another murder victim - Jesus - took over the empty place. It is possible that at this time hardly anything was known about the real Jesus and that elements from Caesar's life were woven into the biography of Jesus.

I don't know what the truth is? Christians say they KNOW the truth. That's the difference between them and me. All i know is that there are connections between the Roman Empire and Christianity. After all the Roman Emperors we got Popes.

Most information(what you call stories) was lost and/or distorted in the Inter-Testamental periods.. besides, even the Old Testament contained prophecy for Christ's birth, resurrection, and ascension.

i didn't mean "believe" as its literal meaning. well, it's easier for me to debate and explain myself in spanish. plus, i do not have the energies to come and debate right know. just to say that.

don't go mad with me. :(

In my opinion you die and that's it. Nothing else.


Seeing as this post has turned into another religion/belief post, I might as well have a rant. I cannot stand people who stop you in the street saying things like "you're going to hell if you don't believe in god or jesus" or those who knock on your door trying to spread "the word". I don't want to know the word. I've had enough of religion. Religion is bullshit. I was christened a Roman Catholic and all through school and college i've had the bible thrown at me and religion forced onto me. I choose not to believe and I don't need people telling me i'm gonna burn if I am an atheist or people saying i'm a bad person or an evil man. I'm not evil or a bad person so to all those religious nutters FUCK OFF YOU DON'T KNOW ME. Yeah sure I might burn when I get cremated but not in some made up fantasy called Hell. Someone mentioned earlier that 80-90% of the modern world will be going to hell anyway if it existed. Even the Pope will go seeing as he was a Nazi. And before anyone starts slagging me off cos i'm calling the Pope a Nazi, I know he was forced into it but he was still part of the regime so it's no excuse in my opinion. Other Nazi officers stated they were only following orders and got hung for war crimes. I just hate the way that some people think they are holier than thou just because they believe. I I had my way there would be no religion. Then there would be peace. Religion breeds hate. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Religion causes trouble throughout the world than enough. Look at Northern Ireland, Isreal and the rest of the Middle East, 9/11 etc. I know that most are due to fundamentalist and extremist views but it is my opinion that if there was no religion then there wouldn't be any need to fight or inflict views on the world.

Rant over. I'll have a fag now

Now I pretty much agree with what you're saying, I still don't agree with the hell not existing part.

1. Well you know, people (idiots) say Adam and Eve were white, so where did Black people come from?

2. Okay, show me some shred of evidence for that. The Lord of the Rings is 100% absent of any religion for one thing, and anything you attribute to biblical allegory could be attributed to any number of myths and legends. I think you're thinking of C.S. Lewis, since Narnia is pretty much a fantasy retelling of the New Testament.

3. That's not how it works. The person who got it originally fucked somone, who fucked someone else, who fucked someone else, who shared a heroin needle with someone else, who fucked someone else, etc. etc.

Uh yes, he is the son of God..

I dont suppose that you read Lepelbos' post above mine, which may explain for you my comment.

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Indeed, I wasn't sure there was a factual database you could use to check this up?

I think whatever it says in the Bible is what's gonna happen :)