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Offline Mt. Epic  
#1 Posted : 06 November 2009 08:32:48(UTC)
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Yep, that's right. They are releasing yet another album by the grunge gods (which really means nothing) called Nirvana:Live at Reading, which is a live recording of their Reading performance (hence the name) many millions of years ago. This is just pissing me off. I'm not much of a Nirvana fan, but I'm just saying that the band has been dead for almost two decades now. They have already released like twenty box sets, digged up some shitty demos to release, and have fucked up their compilations of greatest songs about a million times now. I mean, those guys had only one hit, and a couple of other moderately successful songs. I mean cmon! They only had three studio albums! Why do you need a billion box sets! Their album Nevermind, sold roughly 16 million copies worldwide. Okay I understand that is a successful album. But the follow-up, In Utero, sold only about 1/3 of that that. 5 million copies, yeah that's a good number, but not worth to have parades and fireworks go off at every major city in the world just to show that BAM!!! These guys went 5x platinum! Coldplay's first album Parachutes, if I'm not mistaken, sold about that amount, and the band wasn't considered to be amazing until "Viva La Vida" was released, and before had already had many other fairly big hits. I have the balls to call them one-hit wonders! "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the only song people can recognize. Other smaller songs have SOME fame, but not enough to be considered monster hits. "Heart-Shaped Box", almost nobody heard of until Rock Band. Everything else had fairly moderate success. So I don't understand the big hype. Is it because they were the first breakthrough Grunge act? Is it because of Kurt Cobain's and Courtney Love's relationship? I mean, Dave Grohl has separated himself from the whole grunge thing in three albums, and could've been the first if only Foo Fighters were more organized from the start. So all I gotta say is: Cmon People!
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#2 Posted : 06 November 2009 08:58:05(UTC)
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YEAH! IMAGINE A FUCKING LIVE ALBUM BEING RELEASED DESPITE IT BEING ON RECORD AND BEING QUITE GOOD QUALITY AND THERE BEING PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO WILL OBVIOUSLY BUY IT!

Calling Nirvana one hit wonders is just about the stupidest thing written on these forums, including Steph pretending he was a girl for months on end, and the constant hissy-fits. What a fucking mong. I don't even like Nirvana, I don't want to defend them but when someone is this pig-ignorant of reality, Jesus Christ.
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#3 Posted : 06 November 2009 08:58:15(UTC)
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I don't see a problem.
I may not like Nirvana, but the fans will surely enjoy the album, so hey, fine for me :)
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#4 Posted : 06 November 2009 09:58:49(UTC)
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Well, okay, but what I mean is that, Nirvana wrote nothing even close to as huge as "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was, and it was still overshadowed by artists like Sinead O'Connor and U2 at the time of its release. Nirvana was just one short-lived fad, and it's just a big corporate sham. I'm not sayin' what they are doing is necessarily wrong. You're right. They will make another millions of dollars over this live album, but they have gone WAY too far. Besides, it was Cobain's fear that he would become a tool for corporation to use, but his label, his wife, and his former bandmates still went on with it.
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#5 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:13:26(UTC)
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Wait, so Nirvana are a corporate fad but U2 are what? Serious artists just in it for the love of the music maaaaaaaaaaan?

If Nirvana were a short-lived fad then explain why kids today are still listening to Nirvana, despite not even being born when Nevermind came out. Nirvana were short-lived as a band, but the fact is that they obviously did something right because they still connect with people 15 years on.
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#6 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:15:21(UTC)
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Wait, so Nirvana are a corporate fad but U2 are what? Serious artists just in it for the love of the music maaaaaaaaaaan?

If Nirvana were a short-lived fad then explain why kids today are still listening to Nirvana, despite not even being born when Nevermind came out. Nirvana were short-lived as a band, but the fact is that they obviously did something right because they still connect with people 15 years on.


Yes, U2 are a bigger fad. I'm just saying that Nirvana weren't as big. And, Nirvana are popular now because of constant promotion of box sets. Nirvana have many successful box sets, but only one massive hit.
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#7 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:17:37(UTC)
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I'm a huge Nirvana fan, and personally find the song 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' unbearable!

And yes, I'll definitely have a listen to this album - why not?! The thing that annoys me is that the majority of people who hate Nirvana or hate Kurt only hate them because they've ONLY listened to Teen Spirit! I find Kurt Cobain to be a talented musician, capable of something far deeper than fret-wankery or whatever it is that makes these guitar 'Gods' so amazing. Calling Nirvana one short-lived fad is very, very wrong. Yes, it's a shame that there's still things being released that Kurt would disagree with if he were still alive but if there's fans to listen (or more importantly buy it) then labels are always gonna push that one 'last' release.
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#8 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:18:44(UTC)
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Nirvana were short-lived as a band, but the fact is that they obviously did something right because they still connect with people 15 years on.


Yay, some hope in this thread!
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#9 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:19:14(UTC)
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I'm a huge Nirvana fan, and personally find the song 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' unbearable!

And yes, I'll definitely have a listen to this album - why not?! The thing that annoys me is that the majority of people who hate Nirvana or hate Kurt only hate them because they've ONLY listened to Teen Spirit! I find Kurt Cobain to be a talented musician, capable of something far deeper than fret-wankery or whatever it is that makes these guitar 'Gods' so amazing. Calling Nirvana one short-lived fad is very, very wrong. Yes, it's a shame that there's still things being released that Kurt would disagree with if he were still alive but if there's fans to listen (or more importantly buy it) then labels are always gonna push that one 'last' release.


Yeah, I'm not saying Nirvana are a terrible band. I'm just saying that they've been riding on the success of "Smells lIke Teen Spirit" for too long.
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#10 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:20:52(UTC)
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As far as I'm aware, most bands have their 'big' hit, and most bands end up despising it - I don't see how the case is any different here..
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#11 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:23:45(UTC)
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As far as I'm aware, most bands have their 'big' hit, and most bands end up despising it - I don't see how the case is any different here..


What I'm saying is that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" isn't their "big hit", but just their "hit". Their other songs are barely enough to consider hits. They are more of moderate success. "Heart Shaped Box" was a little successful, only because it was the lead single off the follow-up album. It's just, they only had like 3 studio albums, out of which only two had success. Yet, despite that, they have like a million new box sets released like every year.

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#12 Posted : 06 November 2009 10:45:34(UTC)
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I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is their worst song and Nevermind is their worst album
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#13 Posted : 06 November 2009 11:13:02(UTC)
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Nevermind is an awesome pop-rock album really. It's just full of catchy-as-fuck tracks.
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#14 Posted : 06 November 2009 11:21:26(UTC)
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Paradox wrote:
I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is their worst song and Nevermind is their worst album


Half the people I know just say the because they don't wanna sound like "Posers" who only know the band from one song or album. Nevermind is my least favorite album but it's a good album nonetheless and come as you are is one of my favorites though I prefer In Utero and Bleach.
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#15 Posted : 06 November 2009 11:21:32(UTC)
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Basically what I"m trying to say is that they went a bit overboard with the whole Nirvana thing. One box set is enough, if not too much.
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#16 Posted : 06 November 2009 11:32:05(UTC)
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I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is their worst song and Nevermind is their worst album


Half the people I know just say the because they don't wanna sound like "Posers" who only know the band from one song or album. Nevermind is my least favorite album but it's a good album nonetheless and come as you are is one of my favorites though I prefer In Utero and Bleach.


Yeah, but I have listened the 3 albums + Incesticide and the unplugged, and well Smells Like Teen Spirit is not even in the top 5 songs from Nevermind
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#17 Posted : 06 November 2009 11:36:43(UTC)
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I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is their worst song and Nevermind is their worst album


Half the people I know just say the because they don't wanna sound like "Posers" who only know the band from one song or album. Nevermind is my least favorite album but it's a good album nonetheless and come as you are is one of my favorites though I prefer In Utero and Bleach.


Yeah, but I have listened the 3 albums + Incesticide and the unplugged, and well Smells Like Teen Spirit is not even in the top 5 songs from Nevermind


without a doubt yeah. i was just saying.In Utero is my favorite then Bleach then Nevermind but Nevermind is still good.
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#18 Posted : 06 November 2009 12:04:56(UTC)
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#19 Posted : 06 November 2009 18:46:34(UTC)
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Contradictory to what others have said, I like the album Nevermind, it's a truly classic album, I just don't like SLTS! In Utero and Incesticide are better, and Bleach is good for what it is.
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#20 Posted : 06 November 2009 21:24:44(UTC)
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Yep, that's right. They are releasing yet another album by the grunge gods (which really means nothing) called Nirvana:Live at Reading, which is a live recording of their Reading performance (hence the name) many millions of years ago. This is just pissing me off. I'm not much of a Nirvana fan, but I'm just saying that the band has been dead for almost two decades now. They have already released like twenty box sets, digged up some shitty demos to release, and have fucked up their compilations of greatest songs about a million times now. I mean, those guys had only one hit, and a couple of other moderately successful songs. I mean cmon! They only had three studio albums! Why do you need a billion box sets! Their album Nevermind, sold roughly 16 million copies worldwide. Okay I understand that is a successful album. But the follow-up, In Utero, sold only about 1/3 of that that. 5 million copies, yeah that's a good number, but not worth to have parades and fireworks go off at every major city in the world just to show that BAM!!! These guys went 5x platinum! Coldplay's first album Parachutes, if I'm not mistaken, sold about that amount, and the band wasn't considered to be amazing until "Viva La Vida" was released, and before had already had many other fairly big hits. I have the balls to call them one-hit wonders! "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the only song people can recognize. Other smaller songs have SOME fame, but not enough to be considered monster hits. "Heart-Shaped Box", almost nobody heard of until Rock Band. Everything else had fairly moderate success. So I don't understand the big hype. Is it because they were the first breakthrough Grunge act? Is it because of Kurt Cobain's and Courtney Love's relationship? I mean, Dave Grohl has separated himself from the whole grunge thing in three albums, and could've been the first if only Foo Fighters were more organized from the start. So all I gotta say is: Cmon People!



The entire thing with Nirvana wasn't about how many records they sold, it was about the effect their music had, and is still having, on the people that did hear it. It really pisses me off when people use sales figures to talk about how good a piece of music is meant to be. I mean, Cheryl Cole has the #1 album and single in the UK at the moment... wow, it must sure be a classic...
A good album is something that connects with its target audience - regardless of size - and makes them feel emotions that others can't. Some of the best albums of all time, in my opinion, have been albums that have been well ahead of their time - thought of as a bit of a failure at the time and its only decades later that people discover just how great the music actually was.
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