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Offline Mt. Epic  
#61 Posted : 15 November 2009 01:40:47(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.
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#62 Posted : 15 November 2009 01:45:11(UTC)
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Mt. Epic wrote:
Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).
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#63 Posted : 15 November 2009 02:08:16(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.
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#64 Posted : 15 November 2009 04:19:45(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits.


What in the name of the Horns of Holy Doris Day Herself are you fucking talking about?

Nirvana's Nevermind album, which funnily enough was released while they were still around, in 1991, has sold over 10 million copies in the US alone. The follow-up In Utereo sold 5 million.

Music is fashion. All this stupid fucking "Grunge" revisionism where suddenly it was Nirvana and maybe two other bands... They were part of a rising tide of "Alternative" bands, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, even the more mainstream REM just for starters. These bands all became successful in the 90s along with legions of others. Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains. They achieved success not because of marketing, but because people identified with their dirty, grimy, real, music... It spoke to people at the time, particularly teenagers, and those are always the bands that make the biggest cultural impact. N-Sync were huge in the 90s too, but since all their fans were screaming pre-teen girls it wasn't long before they grew up.

Nothing you've said about Nirvana has made even a modicum of sense. It's like you're on some personal quest to erase them from the history books. Nirvana were one of the biggest underground breakthroughs of the 90s, and their success was part of an enormous counter-cultural movement whose effects are still felt to this day. Do they deserve status as rock legends? Why the fuck not? 50 million albums sold, when there's only three actual original albums, when only the latter two of which were hits on release, when they achieved all this commercial success in a three-year period without "selling out"? That's extremely successful.
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#65 Posted : 15 November 2009 05:39:13(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.

WAIT? Nirvana are big because Foo Fighters became successful? That's the biggest pile of revisionist clap-trap I've ever heard.

Were you even alive when Nevermind came out? Stop digging your hole please, it's not even funny anymore.
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#66 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:14:33(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.


I thought the best selling album was somewhere around 30 million copies, and if you think foo fighters made Nirvana big you are retarded

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#67 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:19:12(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits.


What in the name of the Horns of Holy Doris Day Herself are you fucking talking about?

Nirvana's Nevermind album, which funnily enough was released while they were still around, in 1991, has sold over 10 million copies in the US alone. The follow-up In Utereo sold 5 million.

Music is fashion. All this stupid fucking "Grunge" revisionism where suddenly it was Nirvana and maybe two other bands... They were part of a rising tide of "Alternative" bands, Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, even the more mainstream REM just for starters. These bands all became successful in the 90s along with legions of others. Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains. They achieved success not because of marketing, but because people identified with their dirty, grimy, real, music... It spoke to people at the time, particularly teenagers, and those are always the bands that make the biggest cultural impact. N-Sync were huge in the 90s too, but since all their fans were screaming pre-teen girls it wasn't long before they grew up.

Nothing you've said about Nirvana has made even a modicum of sense. It's like you're on some personal quest to erase them from the history books. Nirvana were one of the biggest underground breakthroughs of the 90s, and their success was part of an enormous counter-cultural movement whose effects are still felt to this day. Do they deserve status as rock legends? Why the fuck not? 50 million albums sold, when there's only three actual original albums, when only the latter two of which were hits on release, when they achieved all this commercial success in a three-year period without "selling out"? That's extremely successful.


You know what, you're right. I guess the only reason I wrote some of that stuff before is because they were only able to release three studio albums, which only two were successful, but still, the two alone, along with their greatest hits album and Incesticide, sold roughly around 40 million copies and 10 million copies from the other albums. Still, I suppose I was just a little bit underestimating them because they were alive as a band for such a short period of time. And also, I don't understand why they have a billion box sets when they only really needed one, and if it's for holidays, why all the box sets released after that one were released even though they sold almost nothing.
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#68 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:20:39(UTC)
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BECAUSE THE LABEL LIKES MONEY! THAT IS WHY THERE ARE A BILLION BOXSETS

And if you are fucking claiming they sold almost nothing please provide sales figures because in a debate the burden of proof lies upon the person making the outlandish claim.
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#69 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:25:06(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.


I thought the best selling album was somewhere around 30 million copies, and if you think foo fighters made Nirvana big you are retarded


I meant Dave Grohl, because the beginning of his Foo Fighters projected was largly overshadowed by Nirvana, thus promoting both projects since he was strongly connected to both projects. And later, around the beginning of the 2000's decade, when there was a dispute over the rights Nirvana, he was a major member of the scandal. But now, Foo Fighters are beyond Nirvana, not in popularity and sales, but in the connection. Foo Fighters had established themselves as their own band. I'm not saying Foo Fighters made Nirvana famous. I'm just saying that Dave Grohl helped give some attention to Nirvana during the lawsuit in I believe either 2002-2003.
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#70 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:26:34(UTC)
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BECAUSE THE LABEL LIKES MONEY! THAT IS WHY THERE ARE A BILLION BOXSETS

And if you are fucking claiming they sold almost nothing please provide sales figures because in a debate the burden of proof lies upon the person making the outlandish claim.


ok, i'll gladly show you statistics that the box sets sold little. hold on let me open another page
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#71 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:30:47(UTC)
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Mt. Epic wrote:
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.


I thought the best selling album was somewhere around 30 million copies, and if you think foo fighters made Nirvana big you are retarded


I meant Dave Grohl, because the beginning of his Foo Fighters projected was largly overshadowed by Nirvana, thus promoting both projects since he was strongly connected to both projects. And later, around the beginning of the 2000's decade, when there was a dispute over the rights Nirvana, he was a major member of the scandal. But now, Foo Fighters are beyond Nirvana, not in popularity and sales, but in the connection. Foo Fighters had established themselves as their own band. I'm not saying Foo Fighters made Nirvana famous. I'm just saying that Dave Grohl helped give some attention to Nirvana during the lawsuit in I believe either 2002-2003.


Wrong way round, the Foo Fighters got big because of the Nirvana association. That's how time works, you see. Had Nirvana been around as long as Foo Fighters, then who's to say what would have happened?
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#72 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:35:58(UTC)
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Oh my god, Mt. Epic, YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, WE DON'T CARE. To you they're a fad, to others they are true legends, it's a matter of opinion.
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#73 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:38:03(UTC)
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Oh my god, Mt. Epic, YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, WE DON'T CARE. To you they're a fad, to others they are true legends, it's a matter of opinion.


To put it bluntly xD

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#74 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:45:10(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.


I thought the best selling album was somewhere around 30 million copies, and if you think foo fighters made Nirvana big you are retarded


I meant Dave Grohl, because the beginning of his Foo Fighters projected was largly overshadowed by Nirvana, thus promoting both projects since he was strongly connected to both projects. And later, around the beginning of the 2000's decade, when there was a dispute over the rights Nirvana, he was a major member of the scandal. But now, Foo Fighters are beyond Nirvana, not in popularity and sales, but in the connection. Foo Fighters had established themselves as their own band. I'm not saying Foo Fighters made Nirvana famous. I'm just saying that Dave Grohl helped give some attention to Nirvana during the lawsuit in I believe either 2002-2003.


Sure the lawsuit gave them publicity but Nirvana was already proclaimed by some stupid critics as the greatest band in the 90s, and about the bolded part, what the hell do you mean there?
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#75 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:48:54(UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_discography
Here are all the albums released. I'm no fan of wikipedia, but it has an organized source of their albums.
Note that everything up until Cobain's death, which is the MTV Unplugged album was released, sold fairly well.
Then, the box set, Singles, sold very little, didn't even chart. Then, the following album, Wishkah, sold fairly well. It went platinum, yes. But if you'll check this next link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Fighters_(album), you will clearly see that it was released around a year after the Wishkah album, and the Foo Fighters album was met with large phenomenon, because it was a project from the drummer of Nirvana, thus causing people to make a big fuss about it, as well as comparing them to Nirvana, having Nirvana be in the attention as well. Also, since it was the first LP, not box set, but LP to be released after Cobain's death, it was guaranteed to sell well. Then, six years later, the band finally released the Nirvana Greatest Hits album. It was met with attention because Foo Fighters were finally a very popular act, and were criticized by critics as possibly gonna rise to be more popular. It was also met with attention because it was had a new song, a new lawsuit between who owns the royalties to the songs, and the Foo Fighters album One By One was released around the same time. The next album, With The Lights Out, was certified platinum, yet it only sold around 100,000+ copies, which shouldn't have made it even eligible to be certified gold. The next album, Sliver: The Best of the Box, was met with only 35,000+ copies sold. Now I don't know about other countries. Those sales might be great there, but these are American sales, and those aren't really high here. Platinum is 1,000,000 copies, Gold is 500,000, and I don't believe we have silver. And you know why the last two had low sales? Because, there was nothing of big importance that gave Nirvana the push for hit albums. Foo Fighters had become more of their own type of band. Courtney Love had become nearly silent to the public.

If you still don't believe me, here is probably the best source.

http://www.riaa.com/gold...rt=Artist&perPage=25

Most of the certifications are from their Nevermind-MTV Unplugged sales, which was before Cobain's death. Everything else is the boxsets, which had not too many certifications.

http://www.riaa.com/gold...php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS

And just to prove that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was their only profitable song.

Also, if you can't access some links, check out riaa.com and look up nirvana.
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#76 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:50:09(UTC)
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Okay, Forkboy, here's what I'm trying to say. Nirvana were originally just a fad. Nirvana wouldn't have become such huge legends if it weren't for Dave Grohl's subsequent success and Courtney Love's philanthropy and lawsuits. Otherwise, if it hadn't been for them, they would've been remembered like a band like Hanson, very popular at their time, but not very loved and appreciated as much as they were. But, Dave Grohl has become barely attentative to Nirvana matters and Courtney Love's name not much heard in media anymore, Nirvana has almost nobody to promote it, except the record labels, which will still only get a couple of bucks from the die-hard Nirvana fans and the fat asses who play guitar queero or cock band.


i disagree.... I think Nirvana will always be popular.. Their music speaks to a lot of people of a certain age and i would term them as a gateway band... Just like Greenday.
A lot of people get introduced to the whole genre of rock, punk, metal etc etc through bands like this and then go on to doscover better bands (in my opinion).


Yes, they are popular, but considering them Rock Gods is an overestimation. Rock Legends too, because they when Cobain died, grunge fell apart really really fast. And also, yes, they sold over 50 million copies worldwide, but there are artists who had one album sell more than that. So Nirvana will be considered a chapter in rock, but a very short one.


I thought the best selling album was somewhere around 30 million copies, and if you think foo fighters made Nirvana big you are retarded


I meant Dave Grohl, because the beginning of his Foo Fighters projected was largly overshadowed by Nirvana, thus promoting both projects since he was strongly connected to both projects. And later, around the beginning of the 2000's decade, when there was a dispute over the rights Nirvana, he was a major member of the scandal. But now, Foo Fighters are beyond Nirvana, not in popularity and sales, but in the connection. Foo Fighters had established themselves as their own band. I'm not saying Foo Fighters made Nirvana famous. I'm just saying that Dave Grohl helped give some attention to Nirvana during the lawsuit in I believe either 2002-2003.


Sure the lawsuit gave them publicity but Nirvana was already proclaimed by some stupid critics as the greatest band in the 90s, and about the bolded part, what the hell do you mean there?[/quote]

I mean, Foo Fighters aren't really associated to Nirvana anymore, other than the fact that Dave Grohl was in both.

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Do you like.. know anything about the music industry.

It's a compilation. They're all compilations. Of course it's not going to have that 'new music buzz' that makes records sell so well - it's not new music!

Answer me this - what are you trying to prove?!
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old.gregg wrote:
Do you like.. know anything about the music industry.

It's a compilation. They're all compilations. Of course it's not going to have that 'new music buzz' that makes records sell so well - it's not new music!

Answer me this - what are you trying to prove?!


Yes, that's what I was trying to say from the beginning!!!!!!! But people here don't get it!
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#79 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:56:57(UTC)
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Sure even if you are releasing new records after 10-20 years it wont be as succesful as your first records
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#80 Posted : 15 November 2009 06:58:32(UTC)
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Mt. Epic wrote:
old.gregg wrote:
Do you like.. know anything about the music industry.

It's a compilation. They're all compilations. Of course it's not going to have that 'new music buzz' that makes records sell so well - it's not new music!

Answer me this - what are you trying to prove?!


Yes, that's what I was trying to say from the beginning!!!!!!! But people here don't get it!


We do get it... it's a compilation, surely you had more of a motive than proving that?
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