Mouschi wrote:Being gay isn't a habit you can just pick up and put down as you please.
If you're gay, you were born gay, you will die gay, and there is no point in your life in which you were not gay.
Well without wanting to particularly turn this into a philosophical or theological debate (well, that's a lie. I love debates on philosophy, it's a passion of mine), you are right. If you are gay and remain celibate your whole life, God really doesn't have a problem. But you can't have sex outside marriage, that's breaking one of the 10 commandments on adultery, and the bibles position on sodomy is pretty clear as well I think. Even if you take the story of Sodom & Gomorrah for an allegory the message is still clear enough. Better to let your daughters be raped by men than two strangers because sodomy is a serious sin. Leviticus is also clear on this topic, as is St Paul in Romas, I Corinthians & I Timothy.
Just to be clear, I find that viewpoint to be antiquated and abhorent, but that's the thing with Holy Books, they tend not to evolve with the times, despite society evolving constantly.
Bikz, lets not be silly here and try to revise history: Christianity has long been associated with rampant homophobia.
Mt. Epic, if you are an actual athiest then saying "it's all mostly karma" is stupid because karma is an eastern religious concept that appears in Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism among others. Talking as one athiest to another: there is no karma. So lets not be silly. As far back as 50AD & the Council of Jerusalem, St John Chrysostom, made Archbishop of Constantinople, the second city in Christendom, in 398 argued that homosexuality was a worse sin than murder! "But nothing can there be more worthless than a man who has pandered himself. For not the soul only, but the body also of one who hath been so treated, is disgraced, and deserves to be driven out everywhere." Plenty examples of Christian Roman Emperors having homosexuals executed, like Constantius II & Valentinian II, both emperors during the 4th century who denounced men who were found to be "acting the part of a woman".
The leading theologian of the middle ages, Thomas Aquinas, regarded homosexuality as a sin and all sins to be unnatural.
It's only been in the modern era where you have had any number of Christians who are actually tolerable of homosexuality so to try and claim that "God hates fags" is a recent movement, well yes, that's true up to a point, the Westboro Baptist Church was formed in the 1960s or 70s. But Christianity's intolerance to homosexuality goes right back to the very start.
Oh and the idea that people can stop being gay is really pretty stupid and offensive and shows absolutely no understanding of human sexuality and psychology whatsoever. Yeah, you can repress your sexual urges and not act on them but there is no way to stop you being attracted to whatever the fuck you are sexually attracted to. And sexual repression can lead to pretty nasty things, see for example Catholic Priests and small children.
I dunno, most of all I just find it pretty weird that people embrace a religion that hates them. I mean I know that I can beat myself up and hate myself plenty without needing outside interference, I don't need the extra guilt for things that aren't worth being guilty for. It's just so strange to me.
I'm interested Daniel, which church are you actually a member of? Is it the catholic church (I'm making a big presumption here on you having Puerto Rican roots here)? Or is it one of the more evangelical protestant groups?
Edited by user 03 December 2009 14:13:12(UTC)
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