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#61 Posted : 05 December 2009 13:36:01(UTC)
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You understand them well because you're gay...

Anyway. Try reading "The Velvet Rage" by Alan Downs. I don't know if there is a Spanish translation (because you'd be able to understand it better). It was very interesting, and about how gay men are affected by being raised to be straight.


Um no thanks. I have the bible.
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#62 Posted : 05 December 2009 13:48:23(UTC)
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FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

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Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.
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#63 Posted : 05 December 2009 13:50:59(UTC)
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#64 Posted : 05 December 2009 13:51:08(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

stephaniewazhere wrote:
Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.


I feel so sorry for you.
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#65 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:16:05(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

stephaniewazhere wrote:
Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.


I feel so sorry for you.


Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the people starving to death, or raped women, now pregnant and suffering from AIDS, or kids who get their limbs blown off by unexploded landmines when they go for a walk outside their house.
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#66 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:18:36(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

stephaniewazhere wrote:
Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.


I feel so sorry for you.


Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the people starving to death, or raped women, now pregnant and suffering from AIDS, or kids who get their limbs blown off by unexploded landmines when they go for a walk outside their house.


Trust me I feel even more sorry for you.
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#67 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:20:20(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

stephaniewazhere wrote:
Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.


I feel so sorry for you.


Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the people starving to death, or raped women, now pregnant and suffering from AIDS, or kids who get their limbs blown off by unexploded landmines when they go for a walk outside their house.

Wow, youve successfully made me afraid to walk out of my apartment...
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#68 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:22:49(UTC)
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Even after he said that God still loves him, but though love isn't the best.
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#69 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:31:24(UTC)
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So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?
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#70 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:33:06(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?


I am pretty sure nowhere in the bible it says God loves rape, but God loves you.
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#71 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:34:14(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Um no thanks. I have the bible.

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STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

Two posts that made me laugh out loud, right next to each other! Steph - I also own a Bible. (Multiple copies, in fact.) I own a lot of other books too, including books about the Bible and Christianity. Does owning a Bible suddenly mean that you can't read other books!? Be open-minded. (:
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#72 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:37:08(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
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So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?


I am pretty sure nowhere in the bible it says God loves rape, but God loves you.

According to the Bible, God apparently also loves incest and beastiality.
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#73 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:38:22(UTC)
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All this bible talking is making me hungry for church.
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#74 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:39:14(UTC)
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All this bible talking is making me hungry for church.

Really? It's making me hungry for caramel cake bars.
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#75 Posted : 05 December 2009 14:54:48(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?


I am pretty sure nowhere in the bible it says God loves rape, but God loves you.


Ah, but you see I was being facetious and clever like the dickhead that I am. I was asking if God loves the people in these situations (like, he loves a women, even while she's being raped), while wording it in such a way that if you answered yes it would look like God loved the acts, but also raising the question that in his omnipresence, he is in fact watching this rape taking place and let's say the raped lady loses her faith because the man who raped her is a priest, and she dies of AIDS a year later after 23 years of going to church, while the priest lives another 2 years before succumbing to the AIDS, repenting on his deathbed for his sin, and God goes "well, clearly she deserves to go to hell and he deserves to go to heaven..."
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#76 Posted : 05 December 2009 15:00:45(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
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So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?


I am pretty sure nowhere in the bible it says God loves rape, but God loves you.


Ah, but you see I was being facetious and clever like the dickhead that I am. I was asking if God loves the people in these situations (like, he loves a women, even while she's being raped), while wording it in such a way that if you answered yes it would look like God loved the acts, but also raising the question that in his omnipresence, he is in fact watching this rape taking place and let's say the raped lady loses her faith because the man who raped her is a priest, and she dies of AIDS a year later after 23 years of going to church, while the priest lives another 2 years before succumbing to the AIDS, repenting on his deathbed for his sin, and God goes "well, clearly she deserves to go to hell and he deserves to go to heaven..."


While you're ignorant about this its really not your fault since you are so defensive when it comes to the bible. God will only know if he really means it. And if he really does yes he goes to heaven (there is always a price though) And the woman if she was faithful to god and after being raped she gave up on it, depending on how God sees her she can either go to hell or heaven. Only God knows. He still loves them both though.
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
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So, would you say God loves starving children, and God loves people having their limbs being torn off by landmines, and God loves women being raped?


I am pretty sure nowhere in the bible it says God loves rape, but God loves you.


Ah, but you see I was being facetious and clever like the dickhead that I am. I was asking if God loves the people in these situations (like, he loves a women, even while she's being raped), while wording it in such a way that if you answered yes it would look like God loved the acts, but also raising the question that in his omnipresence, he is in fact watching this rape taking place and let's say the raped lady loses her faith because the man who raped her is a priest, and she dies of AIDS a year later after 23 years of going to church, while the priest lives another 2 years before succumbing to the AIDS, repenting on his deathbed for his sin, and God goes "well, clearly she deserves to go to hell and he deserves to go to heaven..."


While you're ignorant about this its really not your fault since you are so defensive when it comes to the bible. God will only know if he really means it. And if he really does yes he goes to heaven (there is always a price though) And the woman if she was faithful to god and after being raped she gave up on it, depending on how God sees her she can either go to hell or heaven. Only God knows. He still loves them both though.


So rape is God testing her faith? That doesn't sound very loving at all.
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#78 Posted : 05 December 2009 19:37:37(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
FUCK YOU BITCH STOP STEALING MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Just thought I'd say that when I first read that, I read it as STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

stephaniewazhere wrote:
Anyway, the fact is that I am Christian, no matter on how much you talk bout our God he will always have mercy on you. Salvation is individual so its your choice if you don't want to listen to his word.


Well excuse me if I demand to be taken to God's mighty throne room and then punch him the face.


I feel so sorry for you.


Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for the people starving to death, or raped women, now pregnant and suffering from AIDS, or kids who get their limbs blown off by unexploded landmines when they go for a walk outside their house.


Trust me I feel even more sorry for you.

What a warped sense of priorities. Feeling sorry for a white, middle class, moderately comfortable young man who while having problems they are minor more so than for people who actually warrant genuine feelings of sympathy is just weird.

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stephaniewazhere wrote:
Um no thanks. I have the bible.

Gildermershina wrote:
STOP STEALING MY ONION!!!!!!!!!

Two posts that made me laugh out loud, right next to each other! Steph - I also own a Bible. (Multiple copies, in fact.) I own a lot of other books too, including books about the Bible and Christianity. Does owning a Bible suddenly mean that you can't read other books!? Be open-minded. (:

Hell, even I have a Bible. And I read plenty of books. Because being an ignorant automaton doesn't appeal to me. Even if you accept the Bible as the vessel through which you gain understanding of 'The One True Religion'™ there is nothing in it which says you can not seek understanding of other topics from other works, fiction or non-fiction. You may even find a certain degree of comfort from these other books, in knowing you aren't the first and won't be the last to go through the particular problem you are dealing with (any particular problem. Whatever you do nowadays, someone else has almost certainly done it first and if you can gain anything from their experiences then I would say that is a good thing and should be taken advantage.

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While you're ignorant about this its really not your fault since you are so defensive when it comes to the bible. God will only know if he really means it. And if he really does yes he goes to heaven (there is always a price though) And the woman if she was faithful to god and after being raped she gave up on it, depending on how God sees her she can either go to hell or heaven. Only God knows. He still loves them both though.

Where is he being defensive about the Bible? He's stating an opinion on a topic that evokes powerful feelings and until you have experienced a period of non-belief you cannot even begin to contemplate a) how annoying and boring hearing how "God loves you regardless" repeated ad nauseum and b) how irrelevant that is? If I wanted a deity (which I don't, I don't see the need really) I would want him to be the interventionist type. He would stop murder and rape as it happens. He would not allow war. He would make clear that bigotry of any kind is folly. A God who sits back and watches serves no purpose.

I find absolutely no comfort from the statement "God loves you regardless" because to me it is like being told that "the Blue Fairy under the stairs loves you regardless" or "the Egyptian Mummy at number 49 loves you regardless". Whoopee. Something that isn't real loves me.

Besides, if God loves everyone so much then why exactly does he send them for eternal damnation? That seems rather harsh just for some skepticism. And what about the countless millions who died before Jesus Christ even came onto the scene?
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While you're ignorant about this its really not your fault since you are so defensive when it comes to the bible. God will only know if he really means it. And if he really does yes he goes to heaven (there is always a price though) And the woman if she was faithful to god and after being raped she gave up on it, depending on how God sees her she can either go to hell or heaven. Only God knows. He still loves them both though.

Where is he being defensive about the Bible? He's stating an opinion on a topic that evokes powerful feelings and until you have experienced a period of non-belief you cannot even begin to contemplate a) how annoying and boring hearing how "God loves you regardless" repeated ad nauseum and b) how irrelevant that is? If I wanted a deity (which I don't, I don't see the need really) I would want him to be the interventionist type. He would stop murder and rape as it happens. He would not allow war. He would make clear that bigotry of any kind is folly. A God who sits back and watches serves no purpose.

I find absolutely no comfort from the statement "God loves you regardless" because to me it is like being told that "the Blue Fairy under the stairs loves you regardless" or "the Egyptian Mummy at number 49 loves you regardless". Whoopee. Something that isn't real loves me.

Besides, if God loves everyone so much then why exactly does he send them for eternal damnation? That seems rather harsh just for some skepticism. And what about the countless millions who died before Jesus Christ even came onto the scene?



He's being defensive. And I'm pretty sure also at the fact God flooded the whole world, without taking the time to actually realize why he did it and what he had thought of humans during that time which was way different from when Jesus came and on forward. In order to really understand the bible you need to go to church, which when I'm in doubt about something I do.

Once again since you too are ignorant about God. So let me explain to you. God offers free will. Meaning you can do whatever you want, bad or good. He'll let you do it. Now there is a price you must pay for it; if its bad. And simply that is hell. Whether the person is a "good" person or not, if that person has not accepted Jesus as their savior and repent all their sins, they will go to hell. Its just how it works. Now, only God know is you really mean you're sorry so you have no right to judge that person.

One thing he talks about is how humans will question him many times, and there is a reason he does not want you to know somethings. Not even his angels in heaven know. All you need to know will be in the bible. He can't let you know everything. Anyway, his definition of love is much different than ours. I remember going to church and the pastor took the whole time to talk about God's love, thought I can't remember much since I was a kid, I do remember him saying that his love is much different than ours, bigger actually.

God does get angry. He has the right. But is just shows how amazing he is and how much love he has to send his only son "Jesus" so he doesn't have to destroy the world again. He did promise though to take his people (And that is those who have repent and accepted Jesus as their savior) to heaven. Having judgement day and giving the people who are going to hell one more chance.

If you want a more clear explanation simply read the bible.


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