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Mouschi wrote:God is laughing at the fact that yet another set of puny humans are disrespecting his powers and giving St. Peter a call to let him know he's got a few more for hell. Exactly. But really, I believe that your arent sent to Hell for just any one sin, you are judged by every sin you ever committed, and then are sent where you are destined according to the overall "score" for lack of a better word. |
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asdf wrote:God gave us a chance, to do right, he lets us do whatever we choose, and then we are judged for it. He told us whats right, and whats wrong, he lets us choose, if you choose wrong, you will be punished, if you do right by Him, you are rewarded. Its the game of choice, and we are lucky enough to have free choice.
As for his letting it happen, again if he fixed it all, it would ruin the plan stated above. All will be fixed in the end, and everyone will get whats coming to them. Where were you about an hour ago. This is the post of the day. Not only have I heard this before, it supports what I'm talking about Free Will.
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asdf wrote:When they die they go to Heaven, and are comforted by our Lord Jesus, so maybe its not as bad as it sounds. Besides, Satans control over people is the reason that they die, not God. If he just went around fixing everything, there would have been no point in Jesus dying, being judged when time ends, and the whole of Gods work would be for naught. You dont get it, there is so much more than you realize, its a very deep subject, and you are only thinking of the shallow arguements with out thinking of the deep meanings. Don't patronise me, I understand it's a very deep subject. And who the hell are you to call the deaths of millions of innocent children a 'shallow' argument. Christianity has developed and evolved over time, which it shouldn't have. It should have stayed as it was originally, if it is correct it would have done. But no, time and time again science has out-proved it and Christianity has just moulded around it, coming up with lame excuses. However, say it IS right and ignore all that. Still, what would be the point if they just get comforted by Lord Jesus? Surely he could have just saved his son's pain and the pain of the millions of deaths he has caused over the years in the bible and the pain of all the innocent's if he just intervened, like Gildermershina has said numerous times. In fact no one has actually answered that, and I think that's Christianity in a nut shell. Just dodge the hard questions and change the rules for the easy ones. |
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Mouschi wrote:Cody wins at making Christianity/asdfisting look worth it. (: Lol, thanks? I try, and I hope its worth something. |
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Aj wrote:asdf wrote:When they die they go to Heaven, and are comforted by our Lord Jesus, so maybe its not as bad as it sounds. Besides, Satans control over people is the reason that they die, not God. If he just went around fixing everything, there would have been no point in Jesus dying, being judged when time ends, and the whole of Gods work would be for naught. You dont get it, there is so much more than you realize, its a very deep subject, and you are only thinking of the shallow arguements with out thinking of the deep meanings. Don't patronise me, I understand it's a very deep subject. And who the hell are you to call the deaths of millions of innocent children a 'shallow' argument. Christianity has developed and evolved over time, which it shouldn't have. It should have stayed as it was originally, if it is correct it would have done. But no, time and time again science has out-proved it and Christianity has just moulded around it, coming up with lame excuses. However, say it IS right and ignore all that. Still, what would be the point if they just get comforted by Lord Jesus? Surely he could have just saved his son's pain and the pain of the millions of deaths he has caused over the years in the bible and the pain of all the innocent's if he just intervened, like Gildermershina has said numerous times. In fact no one has actually answered that, and I think that's Christianity in a nut shell. Just dodge the hard questions and change the rules for the easy ones. I mean, the way you argued about it, was shallow. As for intervening, see my previous post about it all being fixed. Some will never understand, and I feel sorry for them really. Its not easy, it doesnt make complete sense. If it did, the game of choice wouldnt have a point and it all goes back to that in the end. Edited by user 06 December 2009 09:49:42(UTC)
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asdf wrote:Aj wrote:asdf wrote:When they die they go to Heaven, and are comforted by our Lord Jesus, so maybe its not as bad as it sounds. Besides, Satans control over people is the reason that they die, not God. If he just went around fixing everything, there would have been no point in Jesus dying, being judged when time ends, and the whole of Gods work would be for naught. You dont get it, there is so much more than you realize, its a very deep subject, and you are only thinking of the shallow arguements with out thinking of the deep meanings. Don't patronise me, I understand it's a very deep subject. And who the hell are you to call the deaths of millions of innocent children a 'shallow' argument. Christianity has developed and evolved over time, which it shouldn't have. It should have stayed as it was originally, if it is correct it would have done. But no, time and time again science has out-proved it and Christianity has just moulded around it, coming up with lame excuses. However, say it IS right and ignore all that. Still, what would be the point if they just get comforted by Lord Jesus? Surely he could have just saved his son's pain and the pain of the millions of deaths he has caused over the years in the bible and the pain of all the innocent's if he just intervened, like Gildermershina has said numerous times. In fact no one has actually answered that, and I think that's Christianity in a nut shell. Just dodge the hard questions and change the rules for the easy ones. I mean, the way you argued about it, was shallow. As for intervening, see my previous post about it all being fixed. Some will never understand, and I feel sorry for them really. Its not easy, it doesnt make complete sense. If it did, the game of choice wouldnt have a point and it all goes back to that in the end. That's why I'm planning on turning my life around, my music is also turning around as well. Its all for the better. I feel good about it too.
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As far as I am concerned God cannot be a loving being. As has been stated numerous times in this thread and others on religion, according to Christianity to be saved you must ask for and accept Christ as your savior. That is all well and good for the people in the civilized world but what about the undiscovered or unconnected tribes of Africa and South America. These people are condemned to Hell because they didn't have the opportunity to know about God? And what about the living conditions for the vast majority of the planet's population. They are living in a veritable "Hell on Earth" that was given to them by God and he expects them to believe he loves them. If God truly loved us all so much why does he show so much favoritism? How come I get a better life because God chose to let me be born in the US while a girl the same age as me in Africa has to worry about whether she is going to get raped today when she goes out for water, if there is even any water left? Does God love the West more? (Certainly some right-wing politicians and religious officials argue that yes, yes he does and the recent catastrophes such as the 9/11 attacks, the global economic recession, and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a form of punishment for losing sight of him)
If someone could answer those questions and still prove God is love then I might finally be able to give some credence to Christianity. I mean real answers not any of the "oh well God doesn't want us to know everything" (of course he doesn't, the bastard put a fucking tree that grew knowledge fruit and then told us we couldn't have any. If we knew everything we wouldn't be so quick to mindlessly follow him) or the "well those that suffer get to heaven so it can't be that bad" because I am not suffering and if I wanted I could go to Heaven, and none of the proclaimed Christians here are suffering like the starving HIV+ people in war torn Africa struggling every day to survive. If we can have good relatively pain free lives and go to heaven why can't everyone?
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God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you.
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stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. |
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TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. Read this verses on the bible: Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."
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stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. Read this verses on the bible: Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." So because I see nature I should know that Christ is my savior and accept him. Plus add in all the suffering and the world looks more like Satan made it. I don't look at the starving war torn nations in Africa and say "yup God sure is divine and awesome." I say the exact opposite. If he intended on the world speaking for his glory he should have cleaned house a bit. |
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TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. Read this verses on the bible: Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." So because I see nature I should know that Christ is my savior and accept him. Plus add in all the suffering and the world looks more like Satan made it. I don't look at the starving war torn nations in Africa and say "yup God sure is divine and awesome." I say the exact opposite. If he intended on the world speaking for his glory he should have cleaned house a bit. The bible speaks the truth, many won't believe it. Edited by user 06 December 2009 10:36:43(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. Read this verses on the bible: Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." So because I see nature I should know that Christ is my savior and accept him. Plus add in all the suffering and the world looks more like Satan made it. I don't look at the starving war torn nations in Africa and say "yup God sure is divine and awesome." I say the exact opposite. If he intended on the world speaking for his glory he should have cleaned house a bit. The bible speaks the truth, many won't believe it. So does Henry Rollins. Amen. Now well don't you think we all had this discussion before random link that has nothing to do with my argument |
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Paradox wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:TheCDs wrote:stephaniewazhere wrote:God will judge you on judgement day for your knowledge of him. You all have heard of him and have been told about the word of God so that doesn't count for you. Show me that in the Bible. Because as far as I know from my experiences with the Bible it is clear that accepting and knowing Christ is the only path to eternal life and salvation. The whole "judged on your knowledge of him" argument came about to make God seem nicer. Read this verses on the bible: Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." So because I see nature I should know that Christ is my savior and accept him. Plus add in all the suffering and the world looks more like Satan made it. I don't look at the starving war torn nations in Africa and say "yup God sure is divine and awesome." I say the exact opposite. If he intended on the world speaking for his glory he should have cleaned house a bit. The bible speaks the truth, many won't believe it. So does Henry Rollins. Amen. Now well don't you think we all had this discussion before random link that has nothing to do with my argument No wonder.
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