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Offline forkboy  
#21 Posted : 21 December 2009 09:08:25(UTC)
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.Don't see why you have the right to restrict heroin and not booze


Because one shot of heroin can kill you, but you have to be pretty out of it or unlucky to kill yourself on booze. I mean both wreck families for sure, but of course kids are going to get hold of it and what would you prefer, your kids jacking up or getting a little pissed?

Simple fact is that if heroin is only purchasable from licensed premises then there will be less chance of it falling into the hands of 15 year olds, who can currently get it from either the person they buy weed from or someone they know. And really, "shooting up" or "a little pissed" is hardly a fair comparison. No, I think that adults should be free to make decisions about their own body, that's nobody elses decision.

Seriously, all drugs have negative effects, and not just physical or mental, but also others relating to the damage it can wreck upon a family. But if you educate people about safe drug use (as opposed to the ridiculous prohibition movement that plainly doesn't work) then less folk will die. Tragedies will still occur, but that's fucking life pal.
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#22 Posted : 21 December 2009 09:17:48(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
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.Don't see why you have the right to restrict heroin and not booze


Because one shot of heroin can kill you, but you have to be pretty out of it or unlucky to kill yourself on booze. I mean both wreck families for sure, but of course kids are going to get hold of it and what would you prefer, your kids jacking up or getting a little pissed?

Simple fact is that if heroin is only purchasable from licensed premises then there will be less chance of it falling into the hands of 15 year olds, who can currently get it from either the person they buy weed from or someone they know. And really, "shooting up" or "a little pissed" is hardly a fair comparison. No, I think that adults should be free to make decisions about their own body, that's nobody elses decision.

Seriously, all drugs have negative effects, and not just physical or mental, but also others relating to the damage it can wreck upon a family. But if you educate people about safe drug use (as opposed to the ridiculous prohibition movement that plainly doesn't work) then less folk will die. Tragedies will still occur, but that's fucking life pal.


It's not hard for me to get booze, and I'm four years under the legal age. I mean sure the restrictions would be a lot tougher, but if I wanted my older 20 year old brother to go get us some lines of coke it wouldn't be very hard would it? And the fact is that people are put off of hard drugs because they're illegal, and they get a really negative press, and we're always being told how bad it is. Whatever way you look at it kids are still going to get at this shit it's just how hard it is and whether or not it's easy enough to make a habit of.
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#23 Posted : 21 December 2009 10:02:04(UTC)
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Would your 20 (well, 21 seems like a more reasonable age...) year old brother ACTUALLY buy coke for you?

Coz that would make him a fucking moron. Simply because some people are idiots doesn't mean that everybody should be punished.
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#24 Posted : 21 December 2009 10:09:51(UTC)
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Would your 20 (well, 21 seems like a more reasonable age...) year old brother ACTUALLY buy coke for you?

Coz that would make him a fucking moron. Simply because some people are idiots doesn't mean that everybody should be punished.


Actually, fair point for a shitty example.

Sorry, it's late and I'm only being kept concious by a constant stream of coffee. I still think you shouldn't make it legal, for the reasons I posted earlier.
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#25 Posted : 21 December 2009 10:49:44(UTC)
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I think adults have to be allowed to make their own mistakes. Freedom 'n' all that.
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#26 Posted : 21 December 2009 13:14:29(UTC)
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Never done it, never will, and dont see the point of it. However, I think weed should be the only legalized drug for the simple reasons of its minor bad effects, and major good effects.
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#27 Posted : 21 December 2009 18:09:36(UTC)
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I think the benefits of legalizing all narcotic substances greatly outweighs any costs. The bottom line is no matter what the government does people are still going to get their hands on the stuff if they want it bad enough. Instead of spending tax money to fight a battle that we can never win it makes more sense to legalize the substances then tax them at levels at or above the taxes placed on tobacco and booze. The government could set strict potency regulations to ensure the drugs sold through legal channels aren't going to kill you in one dose. At the same time the government can also regulate the amount an individual can purchase in a given time frame. The hardest part is controlling and cracking down on illegal sellers. Eliminating the stigma and "forbidden fruit" aspect can also decrease the amount of use or chance of use among people. This type of effect is already seen when comparing auto accidents caused by alcohol between the US and Europe. Most European (perhaps all) nations have a lower drinking age than the US and also have a lower alcohol related accident rate among teens.

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#28 Posted : 21 December 2009 20:01:55(UTC)
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I think the benefits of legalizing all narcotic substances greatly outweighs any costs. The bottom line is no matter what the government does people are still going to get their hands on the stuff if they want it bad enough. Instead of spending tax money to fight a battle that we can never win it makes more sense to legalize the substances then tax them at levels at or above the taxes placed on tobacco and booze. The government could set strict potency regulations to ensure the drugs sold through legal channels aren't going to kill you in one dose. At the same time the government can also regulate the amount an individual can purchase in a given time frame. The hardest part is controlling and cracking down on illegal sellers. Eliminating the stigma and "forbidden fruit" aspect can also decrease the amount of use or chance of use among people. This type of effect is already seen when comparing auto accidents caused by alcohol between the US and Europe. Most European (perhaps all) nations have a lower drinking age than the US and also have a lower alcohol related accident rate among teens.



Agreed...use that money raised from the taxes for health measures. Still, I cannot envisage that ever happening, as much as it does make sense. Society in general, particularly politicians have the prohibition mindset so deeply ingrained in them. On that last point, I do not know what the legal drinking age is across Europe, in the US its 21 but in Australia it is a fair bit lower at 18 but there is massive problems with alcohol related issues. It must be a cultural thing. I dont know
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#29 Posted : 21 December 2009 22:32:50(UTC)
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In Europe the drinking age varies wildly, from about 14 to I assume 21 at the upper end. UK is 18. Though there's an odd unofficial campaign that says if you look under 25 then you need ID to proof you are over 21 or something strange. I'm not quite sure what the deal is there.
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#30 Posted : 21 December 2009 23:35:59(UTC)
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Never done it, never will, and dont see the point of it. However, I think weed should be the only legalized drug for the simple reasons of its minor bad effects, and major good effects.


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#31 Posted : 22 December 2009 00:11:56(UTC)
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I pretty much agree with what forkboy said.
I also think that if they were legalized, there should be a huge propaganda on how drugs can kill you and stuff (for the hardest ones like heroin, at least).
If you have the right to buy a gun and shoot your head, you should also have the right to intoxicate your body.
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#32 Posted : 22 December 2009 04:35:50(UTC)
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I am 100% anti-drug. I always will be.

I have nothing else to say.
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#33 Posted : 22 December 2009 07:42:45(UTC)
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Yes there is, it's a bloody debate. Why? Do you mean for you personally? Or do you act like a religion and try to force your beliefs upon others?
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#34 Posted : 22 December 2009 07:53:29(UTC)
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I am 100% anti-drug. I always will be.

I have nothing else to say.


Is there a reason, like Forkboy said are you trying to force your beliefs on people, are you a goody two-shoes, scared, believe everything in health class. My friend ODed and was in the hospital for 4 day, that's a good reason.
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#35 Posted : 22 December 2009 10:40:53(UTC)
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I smoke and drink a beer every now and then, does that count? Never used anything else though, not even weed, and probably never will. The whole "you should choose what you want to do with your body" thing is real nice and liberal, but what about health and addiction risks? And stuff like PCP that'll make you go berserk? The fact that (in some countries at least) the government has to pay for some douche's medical treatment that's been spending all his money on drugs?

Coming back to weed, sure you won't notice anything if you don't do a it a lot and have only been doing it for a year or less. Once you've been smoking for a couple of years you'll notice the effects. I've seen it happening to my buddies, and it'll happen to you.
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#36 Posted : 22 December 2009 11:23:39(UTC)
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What about the health risks of alcohol and fags?

Yeah. Treat adults like adults.
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#37 Posted : 22 December 2009 12:34:00(UTC)
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What about the health risks of alcohol and fags?

Yeah. Treat adults like adults.


That's what I always going to say.
I don't drink alcohol or smoke, so the government shouldn't treat lung cancer or liver problems?
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#38 Posted : 22 December 2009 17:50:42(UTC)
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The hypocrisy of alcohol and cigarettes as opposed to illicit drugs is rather amusing, yet people seem to be in fairy land about it. Alcohol can be just as harmful as other drugs- impairing your judgement and having douche bags get behind the wheel (and the resulting trauma from accidents and the involvement of innocent people, medical expenses etc) or think they are superman and try and pick fights and someone gets badly hurt or killed, alcohol poisoning from regular binging in which such behaviour is seen as acceptable on a weekend to let off steam...yep getting your stomach pumped is just the perfect way to have fun, liver problems etc etc etc. So either it should be illegal like weed, cocaine etc or the other illict drugs are made legal.

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#39 Posted : 23 December 2009 00:02:17(UTC)
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There's no way the public would be happy about legalised durgs, because they're so short-sighted. And in places like America, if you use the "we'll tax them argument" suddenly it's "Tax? TAX? WHAT IS THIS - STALINIST RUSSIA? NAZI GERMANY?" "But the tax only applies to the drugs, if you don't buy the drugs you don't get taxed..." "STOP TRYING TO SOCIALISE MY AMERICA!" "But it's only the drugs that get the drug tax, it's to offset the cost to the state for affected public services, ie. the police, the justice system, potentially even healthcare." "SOCIALISED MEDICAL CARE MEANS DEATH TO CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE! Don't you watch Fox News?"
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#40 Posted : 23 December 2009 00:22:58(UTC)
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There's no way the public would be happy about legalised durgs, because they're so short-sighted.


Yeah, that's the biggest problem with today's human race.
If you go to a Rock concert (it doesn't matter if the band use drugs or not, they're a Rock band, therefore the drug use is necessary), you'll have to use drugs because of the environment and probably because the band says on their songs for you to do it. Then, after you use it once on that atmosphere, you'll have to steal in order to buy loads of drugs. You use it, then you use it again, and then you die of overdose.
That's what my whole family thinks, at least.
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