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Offline Gildermershina  
#4621 Posted : 21 July 2010 10:19:42(UTC)
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You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.
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#4622 Posted : 21 July 2010 10:25:19(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.



And if they still kill the chicken and you dont eat it...then it goes to waste. So far from saving a life you are actually wasting a life...Shame on you
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#4623 Posted : 21 July 2010 10:40:23(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.

Well, indirectly you are, because there will be slightly less piece of meat sold and so slightly lower demand for dead animals and so in the future less animals SHOULD be slaughtered.

But honestly as a veggie I don't think the rest of the world should copy me, I just want to see animals treated with some degree of fucking compassion. less of the battery farming, less of the feeding sheep minced up dead sheep (they are herbivores man), and an outright ban on barbaric Halal meat. If muslims won't eat meat unless its prepared in a horrific manner then fuck 'em, they can become vegetarians.
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#4624 Posted : 21 July 2010 11:14:29(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.


Yes, but by eating said chicken you are promoting the murder of it. While your statement is true, you wont be murdering it. Plus, being vegetarian does save lives. Just ask any vegetarian.
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#4625 Posted : 21 July 2010 11:31:20(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.

Well, indirectly you are, because there will be slightly less piece of meat sold and so slightly lower demand for dead animals and so in the future less animals SHOULD be slaughtered.

But honestly as a veggie I don't think the rest of the world should copy me, I just want to see animals treated with some degree of fucking compassion. less of the battery farming, less of the feeding sheep minced up dead sheep (they are herbivores man), and an outright ban on barbaric Halal meat. If muslims won't eat meat unless its prepared in a horrific manner then fuck 'em, they can become vegetarians.


My friend told me how Halal meat is prepared, he's been to the process before. He said they instantly just slit the animal's throat so that it dies but blood still leaves it's body and at the moment of the cut mention Allah's name. How is that brutal?
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#4626 Posted : 21 July 2010 20:28:49(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.

Well, indirectly you are, because there will be slightly less piece of meat sold and so slightly lower demand for dead animals and so in the future less animals SHOULD be slaughtered.

Yes but the demand for meat is not changed in any significant way by one person turning vegetarian.

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Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.


Yes, but by eating said chicken you are promoting the murder of it. While your statement is true, you wont be murdering it. Plus, being vegetarian does save lives. Just ask any vegetarian.


Being a Scientologist saves lives. Just ask any Scientologist.

Seriously though, I'm not anti-vegetarian. I'm anti-vegetarian-self-righteousness. The health benefits of being vegetarian are offset by dietary complications from not eating meat. The ethics of meat production are always an issue certainly, but what about the ethics of vegetable and grain farming? The damage to the ecosystem? How many field mice get chewed up in combine harvesters? Seems like unless you are a subsistence-level farmer or live in a commune, you're not really in a position to preach about the ethics of food production.
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#4627 Posted : 21 July 2010 22:41:56(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
forkboy wrote:
Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.

Well, indirectly you are, because there will be slightly less piece of meat sold and so slightly lower demand for dead animals and so in the future less animals SHOULD be slaughtered.

Yes but the demand for meat is not changed in any significant way by one person turning vegetarian.


I agree sir. However, one person is as good a place to start as any.

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Gildermershina wrote:
You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.


Yes, but by eating said chicken you are promoting the murder of it. While your statement is true, you wont be murdering it. Plus, being vegetarian does save lives. Just ask any vegetarian.


Being a Scientologist saves lives. Just ask any Scientologist.

Seriously though, I'm not anti-vegetarian. I'm anti-vegetarian-self-righteousness. The health benefits of being vegetarian are offset by dietary complications from not eating meat. The ethics of meat production are always an issue certainly, but what about the ethics of vegetable and grain farming? The damage to the ecosystem? How many field mice get chewed up in combine harvesters? Seems like unless you are a subsistence-level farmer or live in a commune, you're not really in a position to preach about the ethics of food production.

Don't neccessarily agree with this. Well the first part certainly, the dietary issues, less protein and so forth, which is where Quorn and other meat substitutes made of fungus come in. There's other examples that I can't think of because it's been years since I was in an HE class and honestly, didn't really pay that much attention.

Is the harvesting of vegetables perfect? No. But I'm sure you'd agree that there is no black and white in ethics, it's that ol' pesky "shades of grey" thing. And I'd say that on the whole the production of vegetables and fruit is more ethical than the average production of meat. Yes, there's plenty isues in vegetables from GM to overfarming, to your emotive example of poor ickle field mice get harvested which I'd never considered before but I'm sure it happens. But that compared to the conditions of your average slaughterhouse? Yeah, I know which one is MORE ethical, on the whole.
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#4628 Posted : 22 July 2010 00:02:54(UTC)
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#4629 Posted : 22 July 2010 03:06:13(UTC)
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My friend told me how Halal meat is prepared, he's been to the process before. He said they instantly just slit the animal's throat so that it dies but blood still leaves it's body and at the moment of the cut mention Allah's name. How is that brutal?

Take it your pal is a muslim? Really, they are the only people I can imagine justifying such unneccessary barbarism.

http://www.guardian.co.u...03/may/15/religion.world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm

Two minutes for the animal to bleed out. Sorry but you don't die instantly when your throat is cut. It takes a while for your brain to be deprieved of oxygen, and all that time you are still feeling.
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#4630 Posted : 22 July 2010 05:48:57(UTC)
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Animals were put here to accompany man and to work as our food. Says so in The Bible and being a Christian, I eat meat.
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#4631 Posted : 22 July 2010 09:11:10(UTC)
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Animals were put here to accompany man and to work as our food. Says so in The Bible and being a Christian, I eat meat.


It also says God made animals and THEN man. And THEN animals. Again. And the eating meat thing didn't happen till after the flood I'm pretty sure.

Oh, and it also says you can't eat shellfish. And pork. Also horses and mice and cats and dogs and stuff. Also, you're not allowed to eat the blood or fat of any meat.

It's all in the Bible.
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#4632 Posted : 22 July 2010 09:31:58(UTC)
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Yeah, I mean if you use the bible as your justification for eating meat then boy do I hope you stone blasphemers and all the rest of the crazy shit you find in the first 4 books of the Old Testament.
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#4633 Posted : 22 July 2010 09:47:38(UTC)
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#4634 Posted : 22 July 2010 12:10:13(UTC)
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#4635 Posted : 22 July 2010 14:41:40(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
Yeah, I mean if you use the bible as your justification for eating meat then boy do I hope you stone blasphemers and all the rest of the crazy shit you find in the first 4 books of the Old Testament.


That stuffs metaphorical, not literal.
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#4636 Posted : 22 July 2010 19:42:25(UTC)
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So your supposed to verbally 'stone' them?
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#4637 Posted : 22 July 2010 19:59:14(UTC)
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Haha, very funny.

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#4638 Posted : 22 July 2010 20:48:14(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
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Yeah, I mean if you use the bible as your justification for eating meat then boy do I hope you stone blasphemers and all the rest of the crazy shit you find in the first 4 books of the Old Testament.


That stuffs metaphorical, not literal.


Says who? Because plenty of people believe it's literal. What's the metaphor in not eating unclean meat or sleeping next to a woman on her period?
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#4639 Posted : 22 July 2010 20:50:51(UTC)
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The people who take it literally are just effing nuts, Im not going to lie.
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#4640 Posted : 23 July 2010 01:37:05(UTC)
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Gildermershina wrote:
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Animals were put here to accompany man and to work as our food. Says so in The Bible and being a Christian, I eat meat.


It also says God made animals and THEN man. And THEN animals. Again. And the eating meat thing didn't happen till after the flood I'm pretty sure.

Oh, and it also says you can't eat shellfish. And pork. Also horses and mice and cats and dogs and stuff. Also, you're not allowed to eat the blood or fat of any meat.

It's all in the Bible.


That's what the Old Testament says. In the NT Jesus declares all food to be clean (Mark 7:19). Not that I follow the Bible word for word, but just sayin'.

Biblical literalism is absolutely retarded. The same goes for premillennial dispensationalism. Fuckin' protestants...
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