You're not exactly "saving lives". Even if you don't eat a chicken, the chicken will still be killed for someone else to eat.

Well, indirectly you are, because there will be slightly less piece of meat sold and so slightly lower demand for dead animals and so in the future less animals SHOULD be slaughtered.

But honestly as a veggie I don't think the rest of the world should copy me, I just want to see animals treated with some degree of fucking compassion. less of the battery farming, less of the feeding sheep minced up dead sheep (they are herbivores man), and an outright ban on barbaric Halal meat. If muslims won't eat meat unless its prepared in a horrific manner then fuck 'em, they can become vegetarians.

My friend told me how Halal meat is prepared, he's been to the process before. He said they instantly just slit the animal's throat so that it dies but blood still leaves it's body and at the moment of the cut mention Allah's name. How is that brutal?

I agree sir. However, one person is as good a place to start as any.


Don't neccessarily agree with this. Well the first part certainly, the dietary issues, less protein and so forth, which is where Quorn and other meat substitutes made of fungus come in. There's other examples that I can't think of because it's been years since I was in an HE class and honestly, didn't really pay that much attention.

Is the harvesting of vegetables perfect? No. But I'm sure you'd agree that there is no black and white in ethics, it's that ol' pesky "shades of grey" thing. And I'd say that on the whole the production of vegetables and fruit is more ethical than the average production of meat. Yes, there's plenty isues in vegetables from GM to overfarming, to your emotive example of poor ickle field mice get harvested which I'd never considered before but I'm sure it happens. But that compared to the conditions of your average slaughterhouse? Yeah, I know which one is MORE ethical, on the whole.

Take it your pal is a muslim? Really, they are the only people I can imagine justifying such unneccessary barbarism.

http://www.guardian.co.u...03/may/15/religion.world
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2977086.stm

Two minutes for the animal to bleed out. Sorry but you don't die instantly when your throat is cut. It takes a while for your brain to be deprieved of oxygen, and all that time you are still feeling.

It also says God made animals and THEN man. And THEN animals. Again. And the eating meat thing didn't happen till after the flood I'm pretty sure.

Oh, and it also says you can't eat shellfish. And pork. Also horses and mice and cats and dogs and stuff. Also, you're not allowed to eat the blood or fat of any meat.

It's all in the Bible.

So I got a cheap classical guitar a couple of days ago, and I am playing it a lot, and man, it's weird playing nylon strings. And the fretboard is crazy wide so the string spacing is much larger. Still, fun. Learning more from playing this in two days than I have with my electric for years.

That stuffs metaphorical, not literal.

Haha, very funny.

No.

How should I know?

The people who take it literally are just effing nuts, Im not going to lie.