Originally Posted by: Rincewind ok so let me get the chain of events right here..
series of assults and attacks on students on campus property ending in the violent death of one student who was shot to death.
as a result of this the university asks for police patrols to curb said violence.
three students possesing an illegal substance stopped and arrested by police after a random search.
students kick off at this, start protesting so police increase their pressence including riot police
students illegally occupy a building and after a court of law orders them to leave and they refuse, police go in and remove them.
situation is thus even more tense..
now you say the police arrested three people who were smoking pot, which i assume is illegal in Brazil? so what did they expect to happen? if your smoking an illegal narcotic around police, of course you will get arrested. If you ask me they should have been arrested for being stupid idiots. if your going to do something illegal, do it where there are no police!
now as for the threatening behavior and power abuse, i have no idea what Brazilian police are like, so im not going to comment on that at all.
but you say they used unreasonable force to evict the students occupying the building, were you there? they did find molotov cocktails in the building (allegedly) and you don't need a gun to kill someone. The students were arrested because they were breaking the law and the university had probably asked the police to evict them.
as for your picket and protest, if the point wasn't to bar people from the university as you left other gates unpicketed, why block any gates at all? i'd be pissed off at that myself and would probably get into an argument about it!
if you are going to protest and block entrances you have to be prepared for hostile encounters and not be shocked when people disagree with what you are doing!
and im sure as hell you have all lost the big picture that a 24 year old student was shot dead at the university, maybe you should be protesting that instead?
The situation is a lot deeper than that. In the 60s-70s-80s we had militar dictatorship here in Brazil. During that, the police could do whatever the hell they wanted on campus. Lots of abuses, like searching a person just because he/she is black, male cops searching girls, homossexuals arrested for public indecency just because they were hugging, etc.
Then the students organized protests, specially on the University of São Paulo. The movement started there, moved out to the cities and the government fell.
I don't know if you know anything about Brazilian Dictatorship, but it was REALLY violent against protesters. Anything that happened, could be 10 people sitting somwhere to protest against something, they'd send the cops to repress everything. People were murdered, tortured and disappeared during that time, due to police actions.
At that time, a law was created, the AI-5, that represses any sort of manifestation with force. That law still exists, but after the system fell, police inside campus was made illegal. Seriously, it's in our constitution.
What we see now is something a bit similar. Police exageration, doing the same things they did back on those times, in order of the rector, someone who supported the dictatorship back then. Smoking pot is illegal, but the way the handled the situation showed that they have no skill to deal with it. Cops usually just tell the stoners to fuck off and throws away the joint, no biggie.
While we have like 13 assaults in campus every month, we have hundreds on the neighborhood around. What we don't want is the police force watching our every move. While the government sent 400 well-armed cops from ROTA (sorta like the SWAT in the USA), helicopters, everything, the entire city of São Paulo was getting robbed, raped and murdered on much more places.
About the manifestation here, it lacked organization. We were going to shut all gates, because 300 people said they'd be there and only 80 showed up. Then we saw that it failed mostly for that, some personal political discussion between two of them made it pretty much die.
EDIT: And for the record, the cops never did any good on USP. Where that student was murdered and on other dangerous places, the students rarely see a police vehicle.
Edited by user 11 November 2011 03:11:15(UTC)
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