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#21 Posted : 07 August 2009 00:15:08(UTC)
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My theory is based on the evidence available to us.

Your theory is based on a tatty old book full of contradictions, bigotry and various other wads of unpleasantness.

Yeah, I'm sticking with the massive lack of evidence pointing to an afterlife to mean that there isn't one.

But then I don't think you understood my post, despite quoting. Not a huge surprise though.
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#22 Posted : 07 August 2009 00:19:57(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
My theory is based on the evidence available to us.

Your theory is based on atatty old book full of contradictions, bigotry and various other wads of unpleasantness.

Yeah, I'm sticking with the massive lack of evidence pointing to an afterlife to mean that there isn't one.

But then I don't think you understood my post, despite quoting. Not a huge surprise though.


The tatta old book, is called a bible.

Listen we all have our own beliefs, and I respect anyone's belief, but don't come disrespecting my religion.
I have my belief you have yours, we have the right to share them and say you don't believe,
but don't come and disrespect my religion. Otherwise I won't continue this debate with you.
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#23 Posted : 07 August 2009 00:46:48(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
forkboy wrote:
My theory is based on the evidence available to us.

Your theory is based on atatty old book full of contradictions, bigotry and various other wads of unpleasantness.

Yeah, I'm sticking with the massive lack of evidence pointing to an afterlife to mean that there isn't one.

But then I don't think you understood my post, despite quoting. Not a huge surprise though.


The tatta old book, is called a bible.

Listen we all have our own beliefs, and I respect anyone's belief, but don't come disrespecting my religion.
I have my belief you have yours, we have the right to share them and say you don't believe,
but don't come and disrespect my religion. Otherwise I won't continue this debate with you.


he's not disrespecting your religion, just pointing out flaws in the book that its all based on.



The problem i find with a lot of people is that if you say you do not believe and say why, they take this as an attack on everything they believe and hold dear instead of entering into a rational debate on the subject.

personally i think we live we try and make the most of it and then it ends... If there is an afterlife for us, then why not for dogs, cats, sheep, plants etc etc they are all as alive as we are in one way or another...
I hate it when people see me at the supermarket and they are like:
Hey, what are you doing here?
and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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#24 Posted : 07 August 2009 01:53:51(UTC)
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I agree, people wrote the bible, back when people thought dragons exist and that a wise man is someone who happens to live beyond 40 years old, and craps his pants. Some wise man.
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#25 Posted : 07 August 2009 02:43:04(UTC)
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The bible is your guide to life and there might be some things on there I don't believe, but I believe in Jesus. I believe there is a heaven and a hell. I believe there is one god.
Thats what I believe! Ya, yo termine.

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#26 Posted : 07 August 2009 02:47:35(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
forkboy wrote:
My theory is based on the evidence available to us.

Your theory is based on atatty old book full of contradictions, bigotry and various other wads of unpleasantness.

Yeah, I'm sticking with the massive lack of evidence pointing to an afterlife to mean that there isn't one.

But then I don't think you understood my post, despite quoting. Not a huge surprise though.


The tatta old book, is called a bible.

Listen we all have our own beliefs, and I respect anyone's belief, but don't come disrespecting my religion.
I have my belief you have yours, we have the right to share them and say you don't believe,
but don't come and disrespect my religion. Otherwise I won't continue this debate with you.

The bible is a book full of contradictions and openly condones genocide, which I tend to classify as a pretty strong form of bigotry.

That's really not disrespecting your religions anymore than pointing to all the evidence that the earth is actually a (not quite perfect) sphere to a flat earther and I'm sorry if you think it is, but you'd be wrong. My "bible" is facts, evidence, and similar things. Of course, the difference between my bible and your Bible is that my bible changes as the evidence changes thanks to various technological developments, while your holy book is still the same as it was 1,500 years ago, excluding all the translation mistakes over the years. That includes 2,000 year old prejudices unfortunately.
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The bible is your guide to life and there might be some things on there I don't believe, but I believe in Jesus. I believe there is a heaven and a hell. I believe there is one god.
Thats what I believe! Ya, yo termine.


Yep, yep!
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#28 Posted : 07 August 2009 02:49:33(UTC)
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The bible is your guide to life and there might be some things on there I don't believe, but I believe in Jesus. I believe there is a heaven and a hell. I believe there is one god.
Thats what I believe! Ya, yo termine.

But how can you possibly pick and choose? I'm asking this as a genuine question rather than being sarcastic. How do you pick just the good stuff while ignoring the sexism, homophobia, the genocide and the casual attitude to capital punishment? I mean shouldn't you take the holy book as it is written because otherwise it's not being treated with all that much reverence?
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PS. I know that pisses you off.
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#30 Posted : 07 August 2009 03:04:32(UTC)
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I agree, people wrote the bible, back when people thought dragons exist and that a wise man is someone who happens to live beyond 40 years old, and craps his pants. Some wise man.

Shut the fuck up you ignorant piece of shit, read the entire book instead of a review based on a guy who never even opened up the book and hates God for telling him to do something good, besides following his own conscience that will eventually lead him to a living hell. "And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" (Mat 8:29). "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved" (Mark 13:20) "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts" # The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise" (Prov. 12:15)
# "All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits" (Prov. 16:2)
# "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts" (Prov. 21:2)
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#31 Posted : 07 August 2009 03:06:37(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.

Oooh, ooh, oooh, are we doing bible quotes now? Sweet, I love this.

Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

To give it some context, that's Caine being driven out after murdering his brother Abel. Because prefered animal sacrifice more than vegetable sacrifice. HAH! So yeah, Caine is cast out and so he goes "every one that findeth me shall slay me." I thought Adam, Eve & Caine were the only fuckers alive at this point, according to the bible?

Really, I could just point out every third thing written in Genesis. I mean God created plants before the sun, so he created them before they could photosynthesise?

Ooooh, how about Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." Followed by the next book, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." LOL?

Get my point? OK, I'll clarify in as clear words as I can. For every wise and sensible word in the bible, another 10 are a list of names that remind of The Silmarillion, but the payoff is alot less exciting, while another 3 are contradictory and another 2 are just vile and hateful.

I mean one of my favourite bible stories is that of Sodom & Gomorrah, which I'm sure I don't need to recite. I guess, totally ignoring the fact that God hates bummers, I can't decide what I love more: that Lot offered his daughters to the crowd to be gangraped, that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of stone for LOOKING AT HER FUCKING HOME TOWN AND EVERYONE IN IT BURNING DOWN, or well, the piece-de-resistance, Lot's daughters getting their daddy pissed, and then getting impregnanted by him.

Gays are bad kids, but incest, God is down with that shit!

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forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.


One) I don't want to waste my time with an ignorant person

Two) Read the bible, its good for you!

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#33 Posted : 07 August 2009 03:23:54(UTC)
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forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.

Oooh, ooh, oooh, are we doing bible quotes now? Sweet, I love this.

Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

To give it some context, that's Caine being driven out after murdering his brother Abel. Because prefered animal sacrifice more than vegetable sacrifice. HAH! So yeah, Caine is cast out and so he goes "every one that findeth me shall slay me." I thought Adam, Eve & Caine were the only fuckers alive at this point, according to the bible?

Really, I could just point out every third thing written in Genesis. I mean God created plants before the sun, so he created them before they could photosynthesise?

Ooooh, how about Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." Followed by the next book, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." LOL?

Get my point? OK, I'll clarify in as clear words as I can. For every wise and sensible word in the bible, another 10 are a list of names that remind of The Silmarillion, but the payoff is alot less exciting, while another 3 are contradictory and another 2 are just vile and hateful.

I mean one of my favourite bible stories is that of Sodom & Gomorrah, which I'm sure I don't need to recite. I guess, totally ignoring the fact that God hates bummers, I can't decide what I love more: that Lot offered his daughters to the crowd to be gangraped, that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of stone for LOOKING AT HER FUCKING HOME TOWN AND EVERYONE IN IT BURNING DOWN, or well, the piece-de-resistance, Lot's daughters getting their daddy pissed, and then getting impregnanted by him.

Gays are bad kids, but incest, God is down with that shit!








This is why I didn't want to waste my time debating with you. Don't you know there is something called Old Testament and New Testament.
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#34 Posted : 07 August 2009 03:24:38(UTC)
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stephaniewazhere wrote:
forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.


One) I don't want to waste my time with an ignorant person

Two) Read the bible, its good for you!

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I am a love of irony, so I just want you to know that I have laughed really hard at the idea of being called ignorant by you. It tickles me, it tickles me real good.

And yeah, I have read the bible. Or tried. It's harder to read than The Silmarillion, and well, at least that ends on a happy note, as opposed to insane apocalyptic fever.
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This is why I didn't want to waste my time debating with you. Don't you know there is something called Old Testament and New Testament.

I am aware of the two books. Guess what? Unless you are part of some really odd sect, The Old Testament is still part of the Bible. The Catholics say so, Eastern Orthodox say so, Anglicans say so, Lutherans say so and so do the Calvinists. It was the word of God. Alot of it was superceded by the New Testament, but then alot of it wasn't.
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forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.


One) I don't want to waste my time with an ignorant person

Two) Read the bible, its good for you!

Dancing

I am a love of irony, so I just want you to know that I have laughed really hard at the idea of being called ignorant by you. It tickles me, it tickles me real good.

And yeah, I have read the bible. Or tried. It's harder to read than The Silmarillion, and well, at least that ends on a happy note, as opposed to insane apocalyptic fever.



LMAO! its funny how conceded you are about yourself. How smart you think you are? Because really your not.
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forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.

Oooh, ooh, oooh, are we doing bible quotes now? Sweet, I love this.

Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

To give it some context, that's Caine being driven out after murdering his brother Abel. Because prefered animal sacrifice more than vegetable sacrifice. HAH! So yeah, Caine is cast out and so he goes "every one that findeth me shall slay me." I thought Adam, Eve & Caine were the only fuckers alive at this point, according to the bible?

Really, I could just point out every third thing written in Genesis. I mean God created plants before the sun, so he created them before they could photosynthesise?

Ooooh, how about Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." Followed by the next book, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." LOL?

Get my point? OK, I'll clarify in as clear words as I can. For every wise and sensible word in the bible, another 10 are a list of names that remind of The Silmarillion, but the payoff is alot less exciting, while another 3 are contradictory and another 2 are just vile and hateful.

I mean one of my favourite bible stories is that of Sodom & Gomorrah, which I'm sure I don't need to recite. I guess, totally ignoring the fact that God hates bummers, I can't decide what I love more: that Lot offered his daughters to the crowd to be gangraped, that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of stone for LOOKING AT HER FUCKING HOME TOWN AND EVERYONE IN IT BURNING DOWN, or well, the piece-de-resistance, Lot's daughters getting their daddy pissed, and then getting impregnanted by him.

Gays are bad kids, but incest, God is down with that shit!

1. God was disappointed with Cain's sacrifice because Cain was a lazy bastard who gave God his old rotten fruit, not the best of what he worked for. Abel, on the other hand, gave his most prized lamb that was in a sense because he WASN'T a lazy bastard. Cain got mad at Abel, when he should've been angry with himself, and killed him. God got pissed because, HELLO, Abel didn't do anything wrong, but Cain was already digging his grave. 2. Ok, the BIBLE was written before that stupid book, J.R.R. Tolkien is and was known for inadvertently plagiarizing the scripture and making his own fiction with it. 3. God was only ok with incest because there were no fucking people on earth except for noah and his family after the flood, 98% or something near that had been obliterated, he wasn't gonna let humanity end like that. Gays kill.... eachother. one word=AIDS two words=really sick.
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sharinganerror wrote:
forkboy wrote:
stephaniewazhere wrote:
The Bible Is Your guide to life. Angel

PS. I know that pisses you off.

That didn't answer my question, well done. You should totally join your high school debate team. And learn, y'know, how to debate.

Oooh, ooh, oooh, are we doing bible quotes now? Sweet, I love this.

Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me."

To give it some context, that's Caine being driven out after murdering his brother Abel. Because prefered animal sacrifice more than vegetable sacrifice. HAH! So yeah, Caine is cast out and so he goes "every one that findeth me shall slay me." I thought Adam, Eve & Caine were the only fuckers alive at this point, according to the bible?

Really, I could just point out every third thing written in Genesis. I mean God created plants before the sun, so he created them before they could photosynthesise?

Ooooh, how about Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." Followed by the next book, Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." LOL?

Get my point? OK, I'll clarify in as clear words as I can. For every wise and sensible word in the bible, another 10 are a list of names that remind of The Silmarillion, but the payoff is alot less exciting, while another 3 are contradictory and another 2 are just vile and hateful.

I mean one of my favourite bible stories is that of Sodom & Gomorrah, which I'm sure I don't need to recite. I guess, totally ignoring the fact that God hates bummers, I can't decide what I love more: that Lot offered his daughters to the crowd to be gangraped, that God turned Lot's wife into a pillar of stone for LOOKING AT HER FUCKING HOME TOWN AND EVERYONE IN IT BURNING DOWN, or well, the piece-de-resistance, Lot's daughters getting their daddy pissed, and then getting impregnanted by him.

Gays are bad kids, but incest, God is down with that shit!

1. God was disappointed with Cain's sacrifice because Cain was a lazy bastard who gave God his old rotten fruit, not the best of what he worked for. Abel, on the other hand, gave his most prized lamb that was in a sense because he WASN'T a lazy bastard. Cain got mad at Abel, when he should've been angry with himself, and killed him. God got pissed because, HELLO, Abel didn't do anything wrong, but Cain was already digging his grave. 2. Ok, the BIBLE was written before that stupid book, J.R.R. Tolkien is and was known for inadvertently plagiarizing the scripture and making his own fiction with it. 3. God was only ok with incest because there were no fucking people on earth except for noah and his family after the flood, 98% or something near that had been obliterated, he wasn't gonna let humanity end like that. Gays kill.... eachother. one word=AIDS two words=really sick.


ok for saying that AIDS is a punishment from god to Gays you are getting a warning. That is a misplaced unfactual and deaply offensive thing to say... AIDS comes from monkeys and affects both homosexuals and hetrosexuals... just look at Africa for a nice example of that...
What is with all the jibes at the sillmarillion? its a fantastic book!
Stephanie, if you are going to base your deffence and attack on the bible you have to expect for passages to be used against you. Use your intelligence and knowlage to combat it, not childish turns of phrase, Otherwise you simple hand the victory to Forkboy.
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and im just like:
Oh you know, hunting elephants
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Yep, Forkboy won at totally being an epic fail.

Like I aid in the Homosexuals vs Laws (Marriage, Acceptance, The Army, Bathrooms ect.) My opinion is this. In the bible it says God loves everyone and all his children. He must love gays. I think being gay is no different that being straight only that you like the same sex, but the feeling of love is the same. Remember different people wrote the bible, So thats why I don't believe the part where it says that being Homosexual is wrong.

Whether or not you think he won the thing, this about what I belief, I really don't care f you don;t believe what I believe. But just don;t disrespect my religion. Thats all.
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Yep, Forkboy won at totally being an epic fail.

Like I aid in the Homosexuals vs Laws (Marriage, Acceptance, The Army, Bathrooms ect.) My opinion is this. In the bible it says God loves everyone and all his children. He must love gays. I think being gay is no different that being straight only that you like the same sex, but the feeling of love is the same. Remember different people wrote the bible, So thats why I don't believe the part where it says that being Homosexual is wrong.

Whether or not you think he won the thing, this about what I belief, I really don't care f you don;t believe what I believe. But just don;t disrespect my religion. Thats all.



i don't think he has won anything at all... I was just tring to point out that by not answering him in a rational way you are shooting yourself for him. I want to see good debates going on between people.. Not name calling, it solves nothing. I like your idea's about god loving homosexuals though... its a good point of view that more people should share.
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Oh you know, hunting elephants
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