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asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... This is also a stereotype, not all of them have 3, 4 5 children. Just because someone saw it in a parody movie or in a stand up comedy joke it doesn't mean it is true. And many of them do have 4, 5, and 6 children but not all of them do.
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asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. |
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Quote:This is also a stereotype, not all of them have 3, 4 5 children. Just because someone saw it in a parody movie or in a stand up comedy joke it doesn't mean it is true.
And many of them do have 4, 5, and 6 children but not all of them do.
I said 1,2,3,4,5, or 6. Not just 3,4,5. Quit trying to get everyone as if they are racist! You are right, UK is a lot more over populated but that doesnt mean that we arent. |
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forkboy wrote:asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. But to be fair, America's population state by state is extremely varied. Alaska alone probably drags the average below 100. But I guess that just proves your point that numbers mean squat out of context. |
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asdf wrote:Quote:This is also a stereotype, not all of them have 3, 4 5 children. Just because someone saw it in a parody movie or in a stand up comedy joke it doesn't mean it is true.
And many of them do have 4, 5, and 6 children but not all of them do.
I said 1,2,3,4,5, or 6. Not just 3,4,5. Quit trying to get everyone as if they are racist! You are right, UK is a lot more over populated but that doesnt mean that we arent. I never said anything about being racist. I was just proving a point that not all Mexicans have more than 3 kids.
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You never realy "proved" anything, just stated it. But I never said that they all had more than 3 kids, throughout the post I said all sorts of numbers for the ammount of kids they may or may not have. P.s. a wee bit off topic, but here is a song that will make you understand the country and maybe help us through the tough times...
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Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. But to be fair, America's population state by state is extremely varied. Alaska alone probably drags the average below 100. But I guess that just proves your point that numbers mean squat out of context. Well Ok, lets remove 600000 from the US population, and 600,000 sq miles. That's still just 99 people per square mile, which is nothing near the population density of Europe, for example 596/sq mile in Germany, 297/sq mile in France, 320/sq mile in Poland, 474/sq mile in Switzerland and the relatively low 231/sq mile of Spain. |
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forkboy wrote:Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. But to be fair, America's population state by state is extremely varied. Alaska alone probably drags the average below 100. But I guess that just proves your point that numbers mean squat out of context. Well Ok, lets remove 600000 from the US population, and 600,000 sq miles. That's still just 99 people per square mile, which is nothing near the population density of Europe, for example 596/sq mile in Germany, 297/sq mile in France, 320/sq mile in Poland, 474/sq mile in Switzerland and the relatively low 231/sq mile of Spain. That doesn't mean squat either, because like I say, vast swathes of Nevada or Arizona or Texas or Montana for example are empty and those are huge states, while up in the Atlantic Northeast, New York, Rhode Island, Maine, etc. it's much much more populous. America would be overpopulated if it didn't have enough property for its people, or arguably a large enough economy to support everyone, and in some areas that is the case. On the whole though, yeah, there's the land available for more property if necessary, America is far from overcrowded. |
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Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. But to be fair, America's population state by state is extremely varied. Alaska alone probably drags the average below 100. But I guess that just proves your point that numbers mean squat out of context. Well Ok, lets remove 600000 from the US population, and 600,000 sq miles. That's still just 99 people per square mile, which is nothing near the population density of Europe, for example 596/sq mile in Germany, 297/sq mile in France, 320/sq mile in Poland, 474/sq mile in Switzerland and the relatively low 231/sq mile of Spain. That doesn't mean squat either, because like I say, vast swathes of Nevada or Arizona or Texas or Montana for example are empty and those are huge states, while up in the Atlantic Northeast, New York, Rhode Island, Maine, etc. it's much much more populous. America would be overpopulated if it didn't have enough property for its people, or arguably a large enough economy to support everyone, and in some areas that is the case. On the whole though, yeah, there's the land available for more property if necessary, America is far from overcrowded. well I think thats because people dont wanna live in the middle of the desert |
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Okay, well look, in the US, you guys go do what you want. But in the UK, we cannot possibly keep taking on illegal and legal immigrants we have done in the past years. It's a nice thought to think they all work and are brilliant hard workers, but a lot of them do come over her just to live off the benifits system. I say there should be a cap on immigration right now for a few years like the BNP say, and then let it start again or whatever. But benifit system needs to be cleaned up majorly. That's not saying I like the BNP, just that one part of what they say. I dont think we should get rid of all immigrant's, but just give it a few years until we can actually work out the real numbers of how many people are in the country illegally, and then make a judgement of whether or not we should make the legal or not. |
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Aj wrote:Okay, well look, in the US, you guys go do what you want. But in the UK, we cannot possibly keep taking on illegal and legal immigrants we have done in the past years. It's a nice thought to think they all work and are brilliant hard workers, but a lot of them do come over her just to live off the benifits system. I say there should be a cap on immigration right now for a few years like the BNP say, and then let it start again or whatever. But benifit system needs to be cleaned up majorly. That's not saying I like the BNP, just that one part of what they say. I dont think we should get rid of all immigrant's, but just give it a few years until we can actually work out the real numbers of how many people are in the country illegally, and then make a judgement of whether or not we should make the legal or not. YES WE CAN KEEP ON DOING IT. The population is falling. The pension system is collapsing because we are soon to have more pensioners than our dwindling workforce can support. So we do desperately need migrant workers, illegal or not. Scotland especially desperately needs migrant workers. Take the illegals and so long as they've commited no crime worse than the original illegal immigration, make them legal immigrants. And for fucksake, how many times have I said that illegals cannot claim benefits because they ain't in the system? At least 3 times. |
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forkboy wrote:Aj wrote:Okay, well look, in the US, you guys go do what you want. But in the UK, we cannot possibly keep taking on illegal and legal immigrants we have done in the past years. It's a nice thought to think they all work and are brilliant hard workers, but a lot of them do come over her just to live off the benifits system. I say there should be a cap on immigration right now for a few years like the BNP say, and then let it start again or whatever. But benifit system needs to be cleaned up majorly. That's not saying I like the BNP, just that one part of what they say. I dont think we should get rid of all immigrant's, but just give it a few years until we can actually work out the real numbers of how many people are in the country illegally, and then make a judgement of whether or not we should make the legal or not. YES WE CAN KEEP ON DOING IT. The population is falling. The pension system is collapsing because we are soon to have more pensioners than our dwindling workforce can support. So we do desperately need migrant workers, illegal or not. Scotland especially desperately needs migrant workers. Take the illegals and so long as they've commited no crime worse than the original illegal immigration, make them legal immigrants. And for fucksake, how many times have I said that illegals cannot claim benefits because they ain't in the system? At least 3 times. Sorry, I should have made that clearer I meant legal immigrant's, but illegal's still recieve free healthcare do they not? |
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Paradox wrote:Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:Gildermershina wrote:forkboy wrote:asdf wrote:11 million is the figure from the USA government and while not much, it is when you consider the country is over populated with out the illegals.
TO Steph, true but before that you got 10 freaking years of having to struggle to support 3 people instead of 2 or 1. True also that they would still be poor but if you have 10 dollars (just a random figure) it is easier to get 2 people a meal on the 10 bucks than to have to pay for 3 or 4 or 5 or even 6!
$10 goes further for 2 than it does for 3... OK. The UK has a population of about 61 million according to current estimates. It has an area of 94,526 sq miles. That works out at a population density of 645 people per sq mile. The United States as an area of 3,794,066 sq miles and an estimated 2009 population of 307 million. That's a population density of 81 people per sq mile. Yeah, America is big man, it's no where near being over-populated. But to be fair, America's population state by state is extremely varied. Alaska alone probably drags the average below 100. But I guess that just proves your point that numbers mean squat out of context. Well Ok, lets remove 600000 from the US population, and 600,000 sq miles. That's still just 99 people per square mile, which is nothing near the population density of Europe, for example 596/sq mile in Germany, 297/sq mile in France, 320/sq mile in Poland, 474/sq mile in Switzerland and the relatively low 231/sq mile of Spain. That doesn't mean squat either, because like I say, vast swathes of Nevada or Arizona or Texas or Montana for example are empty and those are huge states, while up in the Atlantic Northeast, New York, Rhode Island, Maine, etc. it's much much more populous. America would be overpopulated if it didn't have enough property for its people, or arguably a large enough economy to support everyone, and in some areas that is the case. On the whole though, yeah, there's the land available for more property if necessary, America is far from overcrowded. well I think thats because people dont wanna live in the middle of the desert Hello Las Vegas, Phoenix... Edited by user 10 August 2009 00:16:29(UTC)
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Advice for anyone who want to live in the US,
Don't live in Florida, I know there is Disney World and Universal but people who live hardly can even afford to go every year or every other year. Me I go into Universal for free because I work at their Lowes Hotel. But Florida is doing pretty bad right now.
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I wouldnt want to live in Florida anyway, too many hurricanes plus the high cost of living as you said. You work hard just to barely able to buy your house and then it gets blown to South Carolina! |
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asdf wrote:I wouldnt want to live in Florida anyway, too many hurricanes plus the high cost of living as you said. You work hard just to barely able to buy your house and then it gets blown to South Carolina! That and the fact education is doing pretty bad in many counties.
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We shouldn't force them out, we should force them to get citizenship or go to jail for like however long the judge want vs. the time they've been here.
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sharinganerror wrote:We shouldn't force them out, we should force them to get citizenship or go to jail for like however long the judge want vs. the time they've been here. Like I aid before, they can't be put in jail because they don't have the space and its unnecessary to do that. The children would have to be put in foster care (unless you want them in jail too) and it would be a bigger mess.
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