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#81 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:26:40(UTC)
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I think you can agree that a post that just has a smilie in it is in no way anything but spam. When you have to trawl through endless posts of them by anyone it gets annoying. Laughing at somone for getting banned for something they had a part in and then claiming it will never happen to them is what I saw... If one person gets banned for somthing other people should be banned for the same thing. That's how i see it.
As for the sending of abusive pm's to anyone be it mod or normal user... When a mod is made aware of it then yes, it is a serious matter. The way you have argued it above implies that bullying and abusive behaviour can not and will not be tolerated in public where everyone can see it, but in private you can do it without any problems?
The only reason abusive pm's between other users have not resulted in bans is because normaly we don't know about it, and unless people tell us there is nothing we can do.

And just to round of the post before I go and cycle up the Danube to. Loverly castle... I am sick to death of being seen as some kind of mad power hungry monster, simply because I have banned one very very very vocal member of the comunity for good reasons. Maybe people should stop and think about why a user has been banned (let's put it into perspective here.... Two days is nothing) rather than complain that a mod has actually had to ban somone...
Especially when it's not always me thats even banning this person. You can only be a hate figure for so long before you get sick and tired of people joking about you.



I am in no way trying to pick a fight with you, I was only stating my opinion on the matter. As for the pms, we have been told to take arguements to the pms instead of the forums, yet when we argue in pms, suddenly you have a change of mind? I dont get it.

I dont see you as a "mad power hungry monster" I just think that sometimes the mods take drastic measures for small problems. Not just with Steph, but all the people that have came the forums through out the past couple of months that have not done everything right.
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#82 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:29:08(UTC)
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Just like to point out that I'm the other mod in the situation and I agree with rince entirely. And it's not like Steph hasn't been warned or punished about these things before. Honestly, the mods are sick of it because almost every single problem or bitchy fight around here is either started by or directed to him - or if not you can be pretty sure he'll get involved soon. It was increased by ME for multi accounting because a ban is a ban, if you try and get around it then there'll be punishment for that too. The rules on that matter haven't changed since the first time he was suspended yet he didn't only decide to do it but he also continued doing it after he was told not too. Thus if I see another post from him on another account another day will be slapped onto the suspension.


The other mod sicks up for the first one...what a surprise...

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but I feel that you and one other, sometimes abuse their rights as a mod.
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#83 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:37:13(UTC)
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old.gregg wrote:
Just like to point out that I'm the other mod in the situation and I agree with rince entirely. And it's not like Steph hasn't been warned or punished about these things before. Honestly, the mods are sick of it because almost every single problem or bitchy fight around here is either started by or directed to him - or if not you can be pretty sure he'll get involved soon. It was increased by ME for multi accounting because a ban is a ban, if you try and get around it then there'll be punishment for that too. The rules on that matter haven't changed since the first time he was suspended yet he didn't only decide to do it but he also continued doing it after he was told not too. Thus if I see another post from him on another account another day will be slapped onto the suspension.



On this particular situation no. That is false in fact most of the problems that have been happening lately, I was no involved. He'll get involved? So what about the people who started it in the first place. I tried to get around because I logged on and out of nowhere it said I was banned. I tried asking the forum and Rincewind responded why banned me. And I felt unfairly banned and I am giving my explanation why I shouldn't be banned.

The fact you suspend me does not make the situation any better. There is nothing to learn from it. IT just shows that you do not know how to handle power.
And the reason I'm bothered by it is because if I plan being on here on my free time I can't keep on with mods like Rincewind. With him this forum is slowly going to die until hardly no one is left.


There is something to learn from it, and it's quite basic. Stop breaking rules and you can stay, keep breaking rules and you're not welcome. And that's the end of it really.

Also - if you're responding to something a mod has done over PM then yes, it is different than talking to a member as they have the power to do something about it. If you're rude to someone else in a pm and they actually come to a mod then sure a mod will go and do something about it but quite often they just won't. As far as I've seen Rince's pms back to you weren't rude or unreasonable, however yours were. I can't prove that, but I know who I'd trust in a situation like that.

Yes, Steph did stop when asked in the Chimp Records situation which I'm glad about because nobody wanted yet more posts from Chimpy in response.

Rince is not finding things to suspend you - he has a memory. If you break a rule then it's remembered and if you keep doing it some authority has to be taken. I can also see where rince was coming from when he said about spamming. You were posting just one smiley or something in a post - that's not a valid post, really, is it. I mean, I wouldn't say it's a really bad rule break but some content to a post is always quite nice...

The reason I'm increasing your suspension has been plainly stated far too many times - stop creating more accounts to get around it or I will increase it. I can't make it more basic than that, sorry.

EDIT: And while I was posting that you somehow got yet another post in. Do you see what I'm getting at yet?


There were no rules broken! A smiley is now considered spam? Well, Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand Speak to the hand to you then! Responding to a jerk, who IS spamming, and then having a small arguement on it is now worth getting banned for, when it was Chips bloody stupidity that started it all?

Steph does need to quit making new accounts, that is the ONLY thing I agree with. Other than that, I find this as just another instance of Old Greg, and Rince teaming up against Steph, and the reasons for it just keep getting stupider, maybe if she comes back we can ban her for having bad grammar, or for having a bad bloody haircut? I am sad that the forum is left in this state of corruption... Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking Not talking
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#84 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:37:13(UTC)
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See, people get PMed warnings, and you don't get to see that, and they don't exactly come out and say "hey, I got PMed to stop doing this," not to mention the Mod forum that you guys don't even get to see, so to you an action might seem drastic, even though its actually taken a good bit of back and forth.
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#85 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:40:18(UTC)
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One thing I forgot to mention I was not given a warning over PM.
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#86 Posted : 25 November 2009 05:42:11(UTC)
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I understand this Gildy, but this was a overreaction, to a small thing that nobody cared about, and didnt bother anyone. Chip is and arse, Steph was just taking him on about it, as I am with Rince and Gregg.
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#87 Posted : 25 November 2009 06:13:17(UTC)
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real2 wrote:


One thing I forgot to mention I was not given a warning over PM.

Shouldn't you be getting banned for being an alias?
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#88 Posted : 25 November 2009 06:13:41(UTC)
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asdf stop getting involved. You DO NOT know all the facts. You know what steph has told you as the facts, which is fair enough, you're friends, but it's not up to you. I'm not really concerned about your opinions on me and Rince as, well, other than the odd comment I never really talk to you anyway. All I ask is that you respect the decision of ALL the mods and stop trying to 'take me and Rince on' because we're just voicing the opinion of the moderation team as shown in a forum that you do not have the ability to view. This isn't about us wanting to 'take him down', we're doing our job.
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#89 Posted : 25 November 2009 06:58:53(UTC)
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Fair enough, I didnt say you did care, I dont care if you do or not. As for respecting the decision of all of you, I dont. Sorry. I know how a moderator forum works and how you come to your decisions, I know that this was worked out by more than just you and Rince, but you are the two most ready to discuss it.
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#90 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:08:22(UTC)
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Then please stop tryingg to paint us as the bad guys. You wonder why the other mods don't voice their opinions so much? It's because you can't say a word on this forum with someone calling you biased or accusing you of overreacting. We are a moderating team, and until people realise that then the pointless bickering with the mods won't end. Respect is earned and Steph's behavior toward rince and the other mods isn't earning any in my books.
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#91 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:18:06(UTC)
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'tis true, says that alter ego of mine. You can't make a moderatorial decision around here without someone or other calling you biased. Said alternative persona and her workmates want the best for everyone .... but sometimes, someone's got to come off worse. That's the way it works.
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#92 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:27:57(UTC)
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I only argue when it comes to Steph, because I feel that people cant let go of her past when she really was one of the worst on here, an no one wants to give her a true second chance, and the littlest thing gets her banned by ALL OF YOU. I shall stop now, you know my opinion, and you dont care. I am able to accept that and move on.
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#93 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:27:58(UTC)
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I'm simply choosing not to be involved in this matter other than brief moments of agreement/disagreement. At present, I'm quite busy IRL, and only posting cause Elliot asked me too.

But the mod forum is all fair on this matter, and all seems reasonable to me.
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#94 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:38:12(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
I only argue when it comes to Steph, because I feel that people cant let go of her past when she really was one of the worst on here, an no one wants to give her a true second chance, and the littlest thing gets her banned by ALL OF YOU. I shall stop now, you know my opinion, and you dont care. I am able to accept that and move on.

and thats where it gets stupid.... I am verz sure your not aware that i was the first mod to argue that steph deserved a second chance, i was the mod that shortened various bans of hers and yet i am still painted as the bad guy because i am the only one who is vocal about who i ban and why... by trying to give an explanation for my actions i automatically become the bad guy... its a loose loose situation for me and any other mod who feels as if they have to explain their actions....

im sure i dont speak for myself when i say that we feel at times like we are being held hostage.... if we ban someone for a good reason, they complain and we become the bad guys, if we dont ban them, we become the bad guys by letting them run riot.
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#95 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:43:47(UTC)
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Poor old Rince :(

I think everyone should stop throwing stick around and just accept that shit happens and being an arse on the forum gets you banned, and because of his bad reputation of course Daniels on thin ice but it's simple - don't be an arse if you don't want to be suspended. There's no point giving someone chance after chance after chance because time is NOT a healer and Daniels just the same as he was when he started minus the spamming and puts his arguments slightly more constructed, and he continues to be a prick to me for no apparent reason.

To conclude, I think everyone should just kiss and make up because this really is an awfully silly argument.
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#96 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:47:02(UTC)
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I agree with this to a point too, but think of it this way...

We tell you who should be banned and why.
You ban someone else and we complain that they didn't deserve it.

Maybe this is a show of how we feel about who should be banned and who shouldn't and your just taking it the wrong way? Either way it doesn't matter, I understand that your only doing what you were assigned to do, and I totally respect you for wasting your time to take care of the forums. I was just arguing my opinion...If I insulted anyone, know that I had no intention in doing so and apologize here and now.

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#97 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:54:32(UTC)
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asdf wrote:
I agree with this to a point too, but think of it this way...

We tell you who should be banned and why.
You ban someone else and we complain that they didn't deserve it.

Maybe this is a show of how we feel about who should be banned and who shouldn't and your just taking it the wrong way? Either way it doesn't matter, I understand that your only doing what you were assigned to do, and I totally respect you for wasting your time to take care of the forums. I was just arguing my opinion...If I insulted anyone, know that I had no intention in doing so and apologize here and now.


In which case the lowest common denominator wins and we end up like France under robspiere!!! Thralls to the mass opinion which can be manipulated quite easily by vocal mass media. If that's what you all want, then fuck you all. I have tried to be fair and open minded and have gotten nothing but complaint and violent pm's for it!! This place really isn't worth my time.
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#98 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:59:34(UTC)
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Ouch...sorry Rince but I dont know how to respond to that.

All I can say is that I'm moving on from this. It didnt matter that much to me anyway. If it bothers you that bad...I dont know.

Sorry.
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#99 Posted : 25 November 2009 07:59:41(UTC)
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Rincewind wrote:
asdf wrote:
I agree with this to a point too, but think of it this way...

We tell you who should be banned and why.
You ban someone else and we complain that they didn't deserve it.

Maybe this is a show of how we feel about who should be banned and who shouldn't and your just taking it the wrong way? Either way it doesn't matter, I understand that your only doing what you were assigned to do, and I totally respect you for wasting your time to take care of the forums. I was just arguing my opinion...If I insulted anyone, know that I had no intention in doing so and apologize here and now.


In which case the lowest common denominator wins and we end up like France under robspiere!!! Thralls to the mass opinion which can be manipulated quite easily by vocal mass media. If that's what you all want, then fuck you all. I have tried to be fair and open minded and have gotten nothing but complaint and violent pm's for it!! This place really isn't worth my time.


See what ya'll done now?

Nice one guys.

However, the violent pm's were from one person I gather, so its not like we all do it. However, I do agree that any nasty pms are stupid and you should be ip banned for any, simples.
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#100 Posted : 25 November 2009 08:01:25(UTC)
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Thanks Aj, as that was pretty much directed at me as I was the one who did it. Lol, I think we are all taking something stupid and insignificant and blowing it up and out of perporsion. Myself included.
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