I firmly believe that when you die they place your body in the ground (or burn you to ashes, or throw you out at sea or whatever) and that is it. However, that won't be the end of you. Think about all the family and friends you have lost over your life, you still remember them. Think about people like George Washington, Albert Einstein, Martin Luther (King Jr. optional), and others. The legacies they left all live on long after they have gone. If you want to continue existing after you die then focus on doing some good in this world that will make your legacy everlasting.

Its is possible that we are just a fluke, but the chances are astronomical, the science and lay out too deep, the way things have come to be, the science of life and creatures to complicated. How can everything that is, come to be by a fluke explosion, or a chance bang? Its like saying "fire is fire because it burns" it makes no sense.

Science has many numbers and logic's I don't understand that will say otherwise of a God existing. Here is my theory, God created these little particles, and atoms, and every little confusing bit of science just so we could have something to ponder at. If God created the Earth as the Bible says why could he not have created all the different things that say otherwise? Its very confusing, and I cant figure out out to put it, but my theory is: God wants us to question it, and the answer we produce is how we will be judged.

Also, on being judged. We are not judged to go to hell for that one puff of pot, or that night you got drunk, you are judged on a whole, and in the end if your life results comes up above 50% you are taken to the chamber of God, if not, you are cast away to the fires of Hell to burn until the lake is cast away.

Heaven is not a magic place in the sky, that is theoretical statement in the Bible, I could be wrong but here are my beliefs: Heaven exists in another realm, or dimension per say. It does not exist anywhere in the universe we live in. Also, time is a aspect of this universe that does not cross over, which is why God has "always existed" which is a top question among non-believers, "how did God get there?" they ask. In a realm without any sort of time, there would be no need for a creator of God, God created time, and creation itself. That is also why, in Heaven, we last forever with no end. There is no time, no beginning, and no end. Yay we obtain the everlasting life to dwell with our lord forever without times unbearable ends and shortcomings.

i have written in great detail about the bible, the various misconceptions and blatent contradictions regarding hell, heaven, lucifer etc etc elsewhere and i really can't be arsed to go through it all again.

Science does not have all the answers, its never claimed to... Science is an attempt at working out how things work. In essence i honestly think everthing comes down to maths.. its the building blocks of creation.
Yes the chances of life are astronomical, but in a universe which is bigger than any of us can comprehend, there is a lot of room for that chance to occur... We are just a group of symbiotic cells working together to out compete other cells for resources... and im happy with that. Its a better explanation in my opinion than a 1500 year old book which claims to tell the truth and yet has been proven wrong on numerous occasions...

in fact if i am going to trust any religious book, then it may as well be the Egyptian books of the dead and of life... as they are the basis of nigh on every single monotheistic religion in existance today.

The first point yet get wrong here is this idea that the chances are astronomical and therefore impossible. The universe appears to be large beyond human comprehension. I mean, to a literally unfathomable degree. And the fact is that the universe seems to be made up of largely the same common elements. Therefore it's entirely likely that some planets revolve around some stars at exactly the right distance to support life, and that furthermore, the processes which give birth to life seem so fundamentally emergent that life itself might well be an inevitable side effect of the Universe's physical laws.

The fact that you are alive and asking the question may seem astronomically unlikely, but that's passively egocentric. You could just as likely not be alive. You could just as likely be a cat, unaware of the complexities of the cosmos. You're implying that you think it's unlikely that we, or rather you, are the end product of the Universe. Well guess what, the Universe gets on fine without life, just the way it gets on fine without plastic, without barstools, without cheese... You think it's strange that by chance we look like this? As if at the start of the Universe there was an entity who said "boy, I bet this Universe doesn't end up with HUMANS on a planet they call EARTH... I would eat my own hat if something as crazy as that actually happens..."

To you it probably seems like we're saying the universe miraculously conspired to create humanity, as if we're some kind of ultimate perfect being. No. The Universe, in its ongoing ever-unfolding nature, along the way, has resulted in this, in us, as a by product of forces beyond our comprehension. You're working from the theological endpoint of humans as a divine perfect creation and not understanding how the science gets there. It doesn't. It's not like one missed turn and no humans oh well the Universe is a failure.

Boy, it's kind of hard to explain this concept, but in summary: Science doesn't answer why, it only answers how. Why humans? We'll never know. How? Cellular mutation, evolution, genetic inheritance, etc. etc. etc.



It sounds to me like you're trying to reconcile theoretically improvable scientific concepts with theoretically improvable religious beliefs. If you believe in the God of the Bible, but you don't believe the actual word of the Bible is his actual word, then where do you get this stuff from? The Bible says nothing about a >50% good clause, or anything about the sum total of a life. It specifically asks only for repentance and acceptance of God, and of Jesus as the saviour, and all of your sins will then be forgiven. There's no case-by-case judgement of merit, that's you ascribing modern moral values to an incompatible ancient text. The Bible also does not say God lives in another Universe. That's you taking modern scientific theories completely alien to ancient people, and mapping that to their vague talk of the Kingdom of Heaven. You might as well say that when God comes down at the end times to take all the people to Heaven, he does it in a fleet of Chinook helicopters piloted by angels...

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I did interpret in my own way, hence my wonderful religion. Lol, sorry but I truly like the idea of ASDFism.

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There have been recent science tests and evidence that has some of the worlds most respected scientists saying that the baby boomer generation may be the last who have to die. Meaning, that at science's current rate of evolution, most of the people alive to day will live to 200 or more and some are even saying that some of the younger bunch, wont have to die at all. Look it up.

i'd honestly pass...

without death, whats the point of life? it would be stale knowing you wouldn't die... Death gives life meaning...

That's the thing with modern life. It's become so easy for most of us to just sit on our asses, and so we don't appreciate the value of physical work, of struggle, of strife. Hell, nowadays stress is considered a medical condition. Now that we're living longer, many of us are losing the motivation to do something with our time. People need a deadline really, and they need to struggle, to know the value of the time they have.

The fact is with the scientific view of death and the religious, is that the scientific one is willing to develop and be proven wrong. Scientists love it when some guy comes a long with a theory and the whole of science evolves, yet the bible cannot just be re-written and it's inaccuracies changed (not counting the numerous fiddlings there's probably been by various people before the big science boom recently.) So neither of you are ever going to be satisfied with the answer and I think they only way to ever know is to die, and I think it's extremely arrogant to think that there's a nice little place for nice little people to go, yet every other species of the planet just die. And if you then go on about horse heavens and monkey heavens, your just going into a complete wild argument because a monkey or a horse doesn't have a conscience to the level we have because they don't have general society morals - it's kill or be killed in wildlife. So yeah we might be more intelligent, but I just think it's a bit weird that we're the only thing in the entire universe that deserves a special place.

However, like I said earlier religions don't develop over time they work their way around the difficult questions and people take the undeniable science facts and kind of morph around them and say ''well it's just x because of god". And even if god did come up with intricit scientific workings, I really doubt he'd be fucked if a species full of assholes helped a little old lady across the road or jacks off over gay porn. The most likely thing I think when it comes to god/heaven, is that it was a unconscious thing that makes up all the forces in play across the universe, and then when you die your conciousness leaves and you simply become a part of this 'god'.

But personally, I think you die and it feels nice and then...

I dunno. But I'm not going to sign up for some religion - risk choosing the wrong one - and worry my life away constantly looking back at some ten commandments check list of things we can't do despite the fact our god gives us a 'free will'. My favorite religion is Buddhism and I think that's the most likely religion to be true, but the actual story of the Buddha is questionable and I prefer looking at it as a metaphor for what we should do with our life and the tree of enlightenment is life itself, and the longer you spend in life just concentrating and calm the more you'll learn rather than rushing around everywhere, panicking and just wasting your life holding onto one hope which is way past it's sell by date and should be extinct by now.

I honestly now just say that really whoever believes in a religion is wrong, cuz there isn't really much evidence to prove any religion, so you could be very far off, and the ones who might be right, well, lucky guess really. We are still evolving technologically, so we really know anything about religion. They are all ideas, so being undecided is the smartest position to be when you are living in this time period, for then, we could start "investigating the truth" and there won't be any setbacks. All religions are hypothesises.

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